Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

RISING SUN said:

It feels bad when someone posts off topic missile in another thread. It's not about Indian slbm, rather it's about Pakistan slcm. That's all I have to say.

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it was because some one asked me about K series SLBM. dont react without getting full picture. over and out.

Correction:

The video suggests range of Tomahawk is 1500MILES which is 2414KM. Babur-I would be carrying some similar range as well, and if Babur-I can reach this distance, Babur-III should be able to reach 1000KM at least.

Just few estimates.

BHarwana said:

You people don't even know who hacked the DNC and what else is hacked and you want to argue over tech of RADAR. You Americans can only make good use of microwaves for cooking. You cannot develop a needle until congress approves a $10 billion fund for it. I have your answer I promise it you agree and I will give you the link to the community. Boeing just got it's new drone design from the community.

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All countries uses and develop radars for detection and navigation not only US

Pakistan fires 'first submarine-launched nuclear-capable missile'

Pakistan fired its first submarine-launched cruise missile on Monday, the military said, a show of force for a country that sees its missile development as a deterrent against arch-foe India.

The launch of the nuclear-capable Babur-3 missile, which has a range of 450 km (280 miles) and was fired from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean, is likely to heighten long-running tension between India and Pakistan.

The nuclear-armed neighbors have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947. Both nations have been developing missiles of varying ranges since they conducted nuclear tests in May 1998.

"Pakistan eyes this hallmark development as a step toward reinforcing the policy of credible minimum deterrence," the military's media wing said in a statement.

A spokesman at the Indian defense ministry was not immediately available to comment on the Pakistani missile test.

India successfully test-fired a nuclear-capable, submarine-launched missile in 2008 and tested a submarine-launched cruise missile in 2013.

The Pakistani military said the Babur-3 missile was "capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence".

An army spokesman later confirmed the language meant the missile was equipped to carry nuclear warheads.

The Babur-3 is a sea-based variant of the ground-launched Babur-2 missile, which was tested in December. The military said the missile had features such as "underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation".

Last year, Pakistan said it was "seriously concerned" by India's test of anti-ballistic missiles which media reports said could intercept incoming nuclear weapons.

According to media reports, on May 15 India tested a locally designed Anti-Ballistic Missile system which could in theory intercept a nuclear-carrying ballistic missile.
(Writing by Mehreen Zahra-Malik; Editing by Nick Macfie)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-missiles-idUSKBN14T1EL

pakistanipower said:

All countries uses and develop radars for detection and navigation not only US

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Man you are pissing me of. Okay I give up what do you want to know? aks one question
1. How to evade Radar 100%
OR
2. How to detect a stealthy object
I will answer only one.

Fenrir said:

To say Babur is a stealthy platform is questionable...

Babur, like Tomahawk has a cruciform tail and straight wings. It's shaping doesn't show any stealthy considerations - round with many straight edges and planes. Now it could have RAM paint which helps, and greatly increases the cost of the missile, but that doesn't make a platform invisible, it just helps to reduce the distance at which a platform is detected for a given wavelength. Optimize wrong and you'll still be lit up light a Christmas tree.

What Babur does have is a small profile and terrain hugging/sea-skimming capability which helps mask it from sensors like IIR, Electro-Optical or Radar scanners, but that's inherent to most modern missiles.

In terms of actual stealth optimized submarine launched cruise missiles you're looking at NSM-SL which was designed from the ground up to maximize all aspect stealth. It has a low IR signature, a radar cross section reducing airframe and uses composites to further enhance this effect and does not use active seekers like active radar homing and relies strictly on passive guidance like DSMAC, dual-band IIR and home-on-ECM...

Babur is more similar to Tomahawk and SCALP Naval and likely features some signature reduction techniques like passive guidance using GPS or internal navigation which limit the effectiveness of electronic countermeasures and make the missile's approach less noticeable then using active homing, and it likely has some form of IR suppression too, but it's profile does not indicate radar cross section reduction unless using RAM.

I wouldn't call it a "stealth" platform like I would NSM, but it has elements which make it less detectable too...

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BHarwana has made many questionable claims and assertions. I've wanted to address several but felt it would be unproductive. I'd recommend you not engage them anymore for both your and the threads sake.

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Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

Spot-on analysis as always. That is why I keep silent while Fenrir and Penguin are on this forum; they can always reply better.

Best not to engage trolls - only brings heart ache and a ban. If someone does not like your opinion or post, so be it. Hope I follow that advice

Hifz u kum Allah

graphican said:

The video suggests range of Tomahawk is 1500MILES which is 2414KM. Babur-I would be carrying some similar range as well, and if Babur-I can reach this distance, Babur-III should be able to reach 1000KM at least.

Just few estimates.

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We have a submarine based cruise missile launch technology of more than 1000km but there is one problem. The current submarines we have the size of torpedo tubes they have can only allow fuel for 450 km and as it is a jet engine based missile you only need to increase the fuel load to achieve more range but in this case it had to compensated for a nuclear war head so the version with conventional war head is more and we need a new submarine for a long range missile.

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BHarwana said:

Man you are pissing me of. Okay I give up what do you want to know? aks one question
1. How to evade Radar 100%
OR
2. How to detect a stealthy object
I will answer only one.

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hare it is enjoy counter stealth by radar
http://www.researchinventy.com/papers/v3i12/D0312015019.pdf

pakistanipower said:

hare it is enjoy counter stealth by radar
http://www.researchinventy.com/papers/v3i12/D0312015019.pdf

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LOL this is a broken link
Got it working after editing.

BHarwana said:

LOL this is a broken link
Got it working after editing.

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http://www.researchinventy.com/papers/v3i12/D0312015019.pdf

The Deterrent said:

It seems so. It was only supposed to be a symbolic tradition anyways.
Shaheen-IA/III and Babur-II/III all don't have corresponding Hatf designations.

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Bro i think Hatf was only used as a symbolic name in ballistic missiles series like Ghauri ,Ghaznavi,Abdali,Shaheen, and even Nasr tactical so in the past no cruise missile name Hatf ( the lance of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w) but it was good feeling of the name Hatf

pakistanipower said:

hare it is enjoy counter stealth by radar
http://www.researchinventy.com/papers/v3i12/D0312015019.pdf

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Pyotr Yakovlevich Ufimtsev was a russian scientist. who developed the mathematical formula to evade RADAR which USA has used to make stealthy air crafts and RADAR can be evaded 100%
Here is a link to the History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev
Here is a link to evade RADAR http://www.scienpress.com/Upload/JCM/Vol 4_1_9.pdf
But these are old tech I am talking about something new.
Accept defeat and I will give you the link.

The Eagle said:

The statements that I read and noted a bit of information, I will ink down my observations as following. (Not my field at all). First of all, by the grace of ALLAH, we have the capability of Second Strike by Babur-III.

1. If it was the first test then obviously we wouldn't risk one of our Sub because, there are always possibilities of technical glitches or error so Sub cannot be risked, therefore, in layman's terms, a replica like Sub (a platform representing Sub) with same style of launch, tube push, ejection is used and every bit of details and readings are noted for finalization etc purpose. As a platform, not an original Sub, is used then still the weapon be called as SLCM due to its purpose and method as well as real goal. By doing so, finally taking everything into account, the weapon become mature and can be launched from original/targeted Sub and be called operational as successful in final test hence induction.
2. The weapon is being tested extensively for time to time to it's real/aimed and targeted results and once every thing is finalized/trusted after all checkups, is being tested again from original launch platform on the basis of all previous tests from replica/test platform.
3. It is true that a new weapon will not be tested from original platform directly but has to reach to such stage after trials through test platform.
4. As @Rashid Mahmood said, test was done almost 2 years ago, actually tells that this weapon matured through test platform during 2 years hence finally launched from original Sub hence is equal to having the capability in final stage.
5. If we go by the term launched from underwater platform so it may be the same launching platform called as replica in this post, to finalize the launch, weapon, tube exit etc and then, as results are satisfactory, will again be tested from original Sub (Augosta 90B etc).
6. The confusion w.r.t. launch platform will be more clear in coming days but professional and informed posters words are to be taken as credible for the moment as well by looking at accuracy of hitting the target, seems like a lot of work is already done and many readings were available from previous tests.

@Oscar @Khafee @Rashid Mahmood @The Deterrent

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Thank You for the tag.

The last time I said something not in the public domain, (link below) bird brains and their supporters (including title holders) went nuts, Mods sat on the sidelines and watched the world go by. So in future, I will not comment on things that are not there in the public domain.

Have a nice Day!

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...-2-cruise-missile.466682/page-12#post-9010214

Khafee said:

Thank You for the tag.

The last time I said something not in the public domain, (link below) bird brains and their supporters (including title holders) went nuts, Mods sat on the sidelines and watched the world go by. So in future, I will not comment on things that are not there in the public domain.

Have a nice Day!

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...-2-cruise-missile.466682/page-12#post-9010214

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Bro you don't need to feel down.

I see and read a lot of stupid/lame logics/comments/ideas/analysis, on which I laugh, but remain quite as it serves no purpose.

I also refrain from commenting on such issues before hand, like in this case.
There is alot of info, which if told, will blow minds of these google champions, but at the appropriate time.

So just love your country and pray for it's glory, which is inevitable by the will of Allah.