Pakistan Navy making efforts to acquire modern warships: Admiral Zakaullah

Khafee said:

IMO highly unlikely, but you never know.

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India did the same with the kalvari class

Considering we have a full Steeles mills inactive, we could be making enough steel to make 10 corvettes a year and fully using the steeles mills 100% for defence purpose

Even in one of the threads someone posted we are "importing" the railway lines from outside the country like who the hell imports train railway lines from outside ?

Pakistani government coughs up the bill for steel mills workers , so at least let them produce something we can use

> Steel Walls for fencing / border development
> Metal / Steel products for ship manufacturing

It would have been ideal that the InActive steeles mills was repurposed for Defence products
Metal products for JF17 Thunder , Frigate Ships and Corvettes or Tanks





Steel companies world wide make steel products for defence sector , ships and other large items
We need to turn the existing Steeles mills into a functional unit that makes something useful we need

We need ships , frigates and corvettes

If workforce is getting bail out cash $$$ every year might as well make them product something for shipping industry instead of sitting on their arses


No reason why the Steeles mills can't be producing such work for Government of Pakistan no need to import these vehicles


Or bare minimum a contractor for Border fencing material

Khafee said:

Hangor is Daphne class. Yes this is exactly what they have bought, French subs from China.

@Rashid Mahmood Comments?

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Hangor was the nickname of Daphne class sub that targetted INS Khurki and INS Kirpan.

After all the efforts we will get these 2 things side by side Insha Allah 1 is already confirmed other will too




and 4 or these corvettes

Khafee said:

Hangor is Daphne class. Yes this is exactly what they have bought, French subs from China.

@Rashid Mahmood Comments?

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Yes PNS Hangor was the name of the Daphne class sub operated by the PN from 1970 to 2006.
PNS/M Hangor sank the Kukri,
so PN has decided to name the new class of subs being acquired from China as "Hangor" Class.

Blue Marlin said:

so hangor is the name of the retired class of subs and its passed onto the new class of subs

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just like many militaries do the name of ship or sub remains same. PNS hangor title is passed to successors.

Only war of words from all naval chief since Shahid karimullah we are hearing same old words trying to acquire it is not difficult for navy to buy new ships now if u take F 22 out all out navy is sitting ducks old rusted technology it is using which even Somali pirates won't use

PN will likely try to finalize the MILGEM deal in the coming months. I just hope they don't do something stupid by going for the standard MILGEM and forget about actual Airdefense. I also hope they get an actually decent SAM with quad pack capabilities (because 16 VLS SAMS just doesnt cut it) and decent range (at least 40kms). None of this stupid 15km bull$h*t anymore. ESSM is LIKELY unavailable to PN. Even if it is available, it is from an unreliable source so go for CAMM from Italy/UK. If CAMM is unavailable, go for K-SAAM or see i China makes a quad-packed variant of DK-10A.

Beyond this, PN needs 2 Type 057s. With 48 VLS cells, you could theoretically field 16 HQ9 in the rear cells and 128 VLS missiles up front (K-SAAM or a quad-packable variant of DK-10A).

But if it goes for the standard MILGEM or gets a shitty ranged SAM, you know the jigg is up and PN Admirals are taking massive kickbacks.

Muhammad Omar said:

After all the efforts we will get these 2 things side by side Insha Allah 1 is already confirmed other will too


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and 4 or these corvettes

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The Type 057 (?) at the top and MILGEM-G at the bottom are very similar in capabilities, I don't think the PN would go for both, likely one or the other. That is assuming they are considering the MILGEM-G and not the MILGEM - i.e. Ada-class.

Tank131 said:

PN will likely try to finalize the MILGEM deal in the coming months. I just hope they don't do something stupid by going for the standard MILGEM and forget about actual Airdefense. I also hope they get an actually decent SAM with quad pack capabilities (because 16 VLS SAMS just doesnt cut it) and decent range (at least 40kms). None of this stupid 15km bull$h*t anymore. ESSM is LIKELY unavailable to PN. Even if it is available, it is from an unreliable source so go for CAMM from Italy/UK. If CAMM is unavailable, go for K-SAAM or see i China makes a quad-packed variant of DK-10A.

Beyond this, PN needs 2 Type 057s. With 48 VLS cells, you could theoretically field 16 HQ9 in the rear cells and 128 VLS missiles up front (K-SAAM or a quad-packable variant of DK-10A).

But if it goes for the standard MILGEM or gets a shitty ranged SAM, you know the jigg is up and PN Admirals are taking massive kickbacks.

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It would be unfortunate if they go for the Ada-class corvette, but I wouldn't chalk up the decision to kickbacks. Rather, it would be a deliberate decision to basically tailor the surface fleet for peacetime tasks such as policing, patrol, coalition duties, etc. For wartime, they'll just use the Ada-class for ASW and, in turn, depend on the burgeoning submarine fleet to keep India away from attacking coastal assets. Now if they end up spending $1bn on 4 Ada-class ships and then another $1bn on 4 Chinese frigates when they probably could've just spent $1.3bn on 4 MILGEM-G (or even better Chinese frigates), then yes, something might be wrong.

PNS Hangor wil shortly be recommissioned, as the name sake of its class.

Tank131 said:

PN will likely try to finalize the MILGEM deal in the coming months. I just hope they don't do something stupid by going for the standard MILGEM and forget about actual Airdefense. I also hope they get an actually decent SAM with quad pack capabilities (because 16 VLS SAMS just doesnt cut it) and decent range (at least 40kms). None of this stupid 15km bull$h*t anymore. ESSM is LIKELY unavailable to PN. Even if it is available, it is from an unreliable source so go for CAMM from Italy/UK. If CAMM is unavailable, go for K-SAAM or see i China makes a quad-packed variant of DK-10A.

Beyond this, PN needs 2 Type 057s. With 48 VLS cells, you could theoretically field 16 HQ9 in the rear cells and 128 VLS missiles up front (K-SAAM or a quad-packable variant of DK-10A).

But if it goes for the standard MILGEM or gets a shitty ranged SAM, you know the jigg is up and PN Admirals are taking massive kickbacks.

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milgem is final...but yes, you may dream high.

read it somewhere and posted it on aug 4 2016 ... and Hangor class is now confirmed

Bilal Khan 777 said:

PNS Hangor wil shortly be recommissioned, as the name sake of its class.


milgem is final...but yes, you may dream high.

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Which Milgem sir ? The simple ADA class or the G variant the Istanbul class?

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Which Milgem sir ? The simple ADA class or the G variant the Istanbul class?

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Once you have in-house capability, any combination is possible...

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Which Milgem sir ? The simple ADA class or the G variant the Istanbul class?

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read b/w the lines ....

yes, you may dream high.

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enjoy the song ....

HAKIKAT said:

Once you have in-house capability, any combination is possible...

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We do have the in house capacity ..

Here are a few examples of our capability ... When it comes to ship building ...





Ship built in 60s



Built in 60 till 90s.. Sold to China and Pak merchant navy... Unfortunately govt never encouraged or supported the ship building industry...

And now .. Turkish designed tanker built by KSY;