Dedicated To COAS Qamar Bajwa and CJ Jamali

Farah Sohail said:

First of all, ppl, please bear with me... What i will be saying...may not be coherent or precise.... But randomly written, but for sure, well thought out.. its not in anger, but after thinking rationally and logically

Today, we can officially and formally say..tht Pakistan is no doubt going in self destructive mode...and there is nothing that can stop Pakistan from destruction, because its clearly said in Hadith

Mafhoom of hadith, not exact words : tum se pehle ki qoumein isi liye barbaad huein kiun ke woh kamzoron ki sazaa deti thein aur taqatwaron ko chor deti theen, agar meri beti Fatima ne bhi chori ki hoti, tu main uske haath kaat deta.....
This is the gist of hadith, not exact words

Why dont our dear army and judiciary make a formal announcement ? Today is a perfect day for tht.. Why don these two instituitions make a formal announcement tht SHARIF family is well above law, and they cannot be punished whatsoever, even if they COMMITT TREASON, like in dawn leaks case, or do corruption, even when they are caught red handed....

So now, after todays decision of SC to postpone panama leaks hearing and NON action of army on DAWN leaks .... It can be safely said tht Pakistan falls exactly in the same category tht was warned by our HOLY Prophet ( P.B.U.H)

The two instituitions responsible for barbaadi of Pakistan, i will say it without mincing any words,...are ARMY and JUDICIARY

i am dedicating this to ..our DEAR COAS, GEN Qamar Bajwa, and CJ JAMALI.. Ok..i am not sure, if dedicating it to COAS GeN Qamar Bajwa is right or not...since he has taken over, just a aweek ago..but then, he was also part of the decision making process as Corp comm, or i should also dedicate it to our hero(?) GEN RAHEEL SHARIF ......anyways... My point is dedicated to the instituition of ARMY

First lets talk abt army........ We have been hearing tales of bravery of our army and all of us have been considering them as our saviour and our pride...but are they really as brave as we thought them to be?
After failure to act on dawn leaks, just because the culrpits were from the ruling family....they have proven to be the BIGGEST COWARDS IN HISTORY... I and Pakistanis would have considered you brave, if you would have acted against the culprits of dawn leaks irrespective of their stature ... You were busy in saving JAMHOORYAT , while you contributed directly to the destruction of Pakistan, according to Hadith, because you left the culrpits only because they were from ruling family..

I can only imagine, what would have been your reaction, if the culrpits of national security breach were ordinary people like us.. But you got cold feet in dawn leaks, hence ARMY LEADERSHIP will be directly responsible now, for whatever happens to Pakistan now..and we have already been foretold through hadith, tht what will happen

EX COAS GEN Raheel Sharif, COAS GEN Qamar Bajwa and all CORP Commanders, AAP Aaj se Pakistan ki barbaadi ki zimmedar hain...you and you are responsible

Either say u dont believe in hadith..or accept tht yes, you are responsible... Before your likes, try to teach me, lesson of democracy ke kaisy jamhooryat ko bachana zuroori tha, aur kaisy Martial law nahi laga saktay... Main sab se poochti hun, ke hum se national security breach hoti, tu kia tab bhi yehi dars diya jaata? Nahi...we would have been arrested under army act and would have been subjected to the worst kind of torture , So why not arrest culprits of dawn leaks under army act? The sole reason, why no action was taken by army here was, , tht they were rulers..so aap ne maan liya ke aap taqatwar ko saza nahi de sakte...so just recall the hadith, and think abt consequences in light of tht hadith

Aainda...kisi bhi dehshatgard ko goli maartay huay..aur apni bahaduri par fakhar kartay huay...SIRF ek dafa yeh hadith zuroor yaad kar lena...jab jab kisi terrorist ko tribal areas main maarein, ya military courts ke through death warrants par sign karein...sign kartay waqt sirf ek lamhe ko ye hadith zuroor yaad kar lena..ke kia is dehshatgard ko tab bhi maara jaata, agar woh SHARIF khnadan se hota? Agar jawab NAA main ho...tu ek lamhe ko sochna zuroor...ke iske consequences kia honge? Ek lamhe ko agar ye hadith yaad aaye aur phir us terrorist ko NA MAARA JAYE tu shayad Pakistan ki bachat hojaye...kiun ke us main hypocrisy nahi hogi..aur us action ko asal bravery samjhaa jayega...

Kia fazlullah, kia khurasani, aur jo bhi terrorist hon.. In sab ko aam maafi de dein.. Shayad Aam maafi se Pakistan ki bachat hojaye.... Kiun ke ye phir bhi INSAAF par mabni faisla hoga..kiun ke is main har ek ke saath ek jaisa sulook hoga... Lekin ruling ELITE ko HAR jurm main MAAFI aur NRO aur aam dehshatgardon ke liye military courts...IS se bari BUZDILI nahi hosakti, aur yehi Pakistan ki jald barbaadi ki wajah banay gi...

RELEASE KULBHUSHAN YADEV: If army or the state of Pakistan, has any iota of shame or grace left in them, which i highly doubt....then they should immediately release kulbhushan yadev.. Why I say this? Because Kul hushan Yadev was an HONORABLE MAN, who did for his country, what he was supposed to do.. He belonged to an enemy state and he just did his duty.. Lekin kulbhushan yadev ko arrest kar ke bravery ke medals sajaanay walon ko sharam se doob marr jana chahye.. Belonging to India, what he was supposed to do? But what are you supposed to do, so called, defenders of Pakistan? Aap ka kaam yehi reh gaya hai ke kamzoron ko pakrein..aur ruling elite ke saath NRO karte rahein? Treason par agar Dawn leaks ke culprits ko maafi mil sakti hai, tu kulbhushan ko kiun nahi? He didnt even committ treason... The difference was...HE was TRUE TO HIS COUNTRY..which defenders of NRO are not...

I know..my thread will not be read by leadership of armed forces...i know tht., for sure.... Lekin agar kisi ek sipahi ne bhi ghalti se bhi mera thread parh liya....aur kisi terrorist ko maarnay se pehle agar usay hadith aagayi aur phir woh us terrorist ko maarnay se ruk gaya...tu main samjhun gi ke main ne apna kaam kar diya...

Now for JUDICIARY... Ok, the less said abt them, the better.... Today, the way our Supreme court has postponed panama leaks hearing, clearly means..tht they have made ground to give clean chit to sharif family, when they are caught red handed and their lies have been exposed... Today Supreme court has initiated process to legalise corruption...

There should be an ammendment in constituition proposed..to reward corrupt and punish ppl, who are still trying to earn their living through honest ppl...

MY PLEDGE:
Today, i am very clear in my thinking... I have made my pledge today... I doubt if ppl will agree with me..but i make a pledge today, tht whenever i am given an opportunity to committ treason, and make money through it...i will....for sure..becuase, here in Pakistan, only people who are considered honorable are those, who are either corrupt or traitors.... Kia pata...main bhi kisi influential position par is tarah pohanch jaoun... Regarding my conscience..tu waisy bi geehon ke saath ghunn bhi pista hai...i have no power to change the system..... Pakistan ne jab barbaad ho hi jana hai, as per hadith, tu phir hum sab apna share le kar hi kiun na barbaad hun.... aur Allah se tauba dil main kar lein ge.. I doubt Allah will be so harsh on us..after all Hazrat Umar ke zamanay main famine ke waqt choron ki saza bhi tu maaf thee....

And please mods, dont delete my thread

@PakSword @Doordie @Imad.Khan @Knight Rider @El_Swordsmen @war&peace

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Clutch said:

Take a look in the mirror and become the change you want to see.

Take personal responsibility!

Stop personality worship and stop waiting for that messiah to take you out of misery be that Imran Khan or COAS!

All are fallible except your own will to change. And like a ripple watch the change grow around you rather than sitting there waiting for another wave to uplift you.

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The Eagle said:

After the NRO, why people keep electing them while being aware of NROed. The people elected them again & again. They are NROed but who voted. By that definition, people do not want to change as whatever is thrown at them, people accept it rather than throwing it back. Simple and precise, it was not shoved down the throats. Let me share a story of Awam.

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Moonlight said:

With all the respect sister, I disagree with you here. If we will keep showing grace and mercy to spy from enemy country we won't get rid out the filth form our country.

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Farah Sohail said:

There are 2 reasons for the same people getting voted to power..

1) Elections are never fair... They are always rigged..so they are not truly representative of people's choice

2) i agree tht people do vote for these parties..but its because of low literacy rate of ppl.. Majority ppl, not all, who vote for them, are villagers, with zaat baradri...
Now lets see whose responsibility was to educate ppl? It was not us... Yes.. There are private instituitions, but to spread education on a state level is the responsibility of govts/state...

Do i need to tell the condition of govt schools? Fact is..the status quo/ruling elite has an interest in keeping the masses illiterate.. Theres a reason, ruling elites have never worked seriously for a better education system in this country because keeping masses illiterate serves the interest of ruling elites... Because, only until, majority of ppl are illiterate, will these people keep getting voted to power....

So its a vicious cycle.. Govts will never work for a better education system.to make people literate ..otherwise who will vote them to power? You cant expect illiterate people to vote sensibly...so u cant shift responsibility to ppl, tht since they vote for them, even when army itself brings the current setup in place, after deal with international establishments, tht what to do? People voted.. No..army brought them back, and allowed them to contest elections, after accusing them of corruption.. So army must accept responsibility.. Shifting whole responsibility to people of Pakistan, is another act of cowardice.. People of Pakistan are the most helpless entity, who have no power whatsoever.... Rather they are manipulated by the ruling elite, in one way or the other, ALWAYS



@bold... Thts the main point... He was a spy from enemy country.. He only did, what he was supposed to do.. He performed his duty for his country... Atleast, in tht respect, he is much more honorable, than many of our ruling elite... Why punish him for doing his job, while letting free, filth of our country...who are in the ruling elite? Our first proprity should be to get rid of our filth within..once we get rid of them, we will automatically take care of 1000 kulbhushan yadevs.. But no matter, you arrest 1000 kulbhushan yadevs, as long as we have traitors on our important posts..its not going to matter... So set him free....let him return to his people... When we can do NROs with ruling elite, whats the harm in setting kulbbhushan yadev free? But our so called institions dont have courage to punish powerful traitors from ruling class...all they can do..is arrest ordinary citizens, on treason, or kulbhushan yadevs...aur bravery ke medals sajatay rahein...

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Clutch said:

Take a look in the mirror and become the change you want to see.

Take personal responsibility!

Stop personality worship and stop waiting for that messiah to take you out of misery be that Imran Khan or COAS!... because you always will be disappointed.

All are fallible except your own will to change. And like a ripple watch the change grow around you rather than sitting there waiting for another wave to uplift you.

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Verve said:

What's YOUR solution for it all (that you will do on your own) other than voicing it here?

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newb3e said:

Gl with your idealistic philosophy the time it will take for ripple to grow we wont have Pakistan but a zardari or miyan or altafistan! Where generals will become governers and suck even the last drop of our blood!

And i am on the opinion that army is only doing this operation to save its *** or reputation and to make sure they do enough to maintain their chodrahat! And do enough keh Pakistan he khatam na hojaye! Cause Pakostan nai toh ya general kissi faltu amm admi say kum nai Pakistan hai toh in ki ayashi lage hai!

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Farah Sohail said:

Ok..so now I am responsible for correcting evils?, for which even i am not responsible? But somehow all those ppl, and instituitions, who are responsible, for the current mess, and have power, to bring some sort of change...are not to be blamed, and can conveniently shift the responsibility.. Great....Do i have the power? Woh kiya hai ke..abhi tak main corrupt nahi thee.. Main ne ya mere baap ne najayez paisa nahi banaya... Jab filthy rich ho kay, najayez paisa banaa kar ..kisi influential position par pohanch jaun gi..tab solution bhi de dun gi...becoz unless, and until some one is filthy rich, you cant come into an influential position..and hence then try to bring change,

Till now, i have done many mistakes..i accept those..

Few years ago, my sister and phuppo who live in US and Canada, were insisting my father to apply for US or canadian immigration.. Me and my mother, out of love for Pakistan, despite all its weakness, refused..to even apply...

I was highly emotional and patriotic..and used to fight with ppl, who badmouthed Pakistan, but now am left with a red face

If u are asking on a personal level, what i or my family do for helping people, and hence bring change...then.....Ermm..i think tht i would not like to share tht here...

Jab main ya meri family corrupt ho kar kisi position par pohanch jayegi...to be able to bring change(?) then this question to me, will be more appropriate.. But us waqt tu hum bhi corrupt hochukay honge..so then as always, the only change we would like to bring will be through another NRO...

But i liked the fact..tht since i raised questions..so i was doubted upon...and asked what i am doing, to bring change? As if i am the PM....

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Clutch said:

Well then enjoy the rest of your life in misery waiting for a messiah. Change starts with you. Take personal responsibility.

The Army shouldn't meddle in politics. They are doing a great job fighting the external and internal enemies. Your over dependence on personality worship in fact is a slap in the face to the ultimate the solders have made fighting terror. Don't put blame on the Army. It's doing its job. Question is, are you? Am I?

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Farah Sohail said:

There are 2 reasons for the same people getting voted to power..

1) Elections are never fair... They are always rigged..so they are not truly representative of people's choice

2) i agree tht people do vote for these parties..but its because of low literacy rate of ppl.. Majority ppl, not all, who vote for them, are villagers, with zaat baradri...
Now lets see whose responsibility was to educate ppl? It was not us... Yes.. There are private instituitions, but to spread education on a state level is the responsibility of govts/state...

Do i need to tell the condition of govt schools? Fact is..the status quo/ruling elite has an interest in keeping the masses illiterate.. Theres a reason, ruling elites have never worked seriously for a better education system in this country because keeping masses illiterate serves the interest of ruling elites... Because, only until, majority of ppl are illiterate, will these people keep getting voted to power....

So its a vicious cycle.. Govts will never work for a better education system.to make people literate ..otherwise who will vote them to power? You cant expect illiterate people to vote sensibly...so u cant shift responsibility to ppl, tht since they vote for them, even when army itself brings the current setup in place, after deal with international establishments, tht what to do? People voted.. No..army brought them back, and allowed them to contest elections, after accusing them of corruption.. So army must accept responsibility.. Shifting whole responsibility to people of Pakistan, is another act of cowardice.. People of Pakistan are the most helpless entity, who have no power whatsoever.... Rather they are manipulated by the ruling elite, in one way or the other, ALWAYS

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Farah Sohail said:

Ok..so now I am responsible for correcting evils?, for which even i am not responsible? But somehow all those ppl, and instituitions, who are responsible, for the current mess, and have power, to bring some sort of change...are not to be blamed, and can conveniently shift the responsibility.. Great....Do i have the power? Woh kiya hai ke..abhi tak main corrupt nahi thee.. Main ne aur neri family ne najayez paisa nahi banaya... Jab filthy rich ho kay, najayez paisa banaa kar ..kisi influential position par pohanch jaun gi..tab solution bhi de dun gi...becoz unless, and until some one is filthy rich, you cant come into an influential position..and hence then try to bring change,

Till now, i have done many mistakes..i accept those..

Few years ago, my sister and phuppo who live in US and Canada, were insisting my father to apply for US or canadian immigration.. Me and my mother, out of love for Pakistan, despite all its weakness, refused..to even apply...

I was highly emotional and patriotic..and used to fight with ppl, who badmouthed Pakistan, but now am left with a red face

If u are asking on a personal level, what i or my family do for helping people, and hence bring change...then.....Ermm..i think tht i would not like to share tht here...

Jab main ya meri family corrupt ho kar kisi position par pohanch jayegi...to be able to bring change(?) then this question to me, will be more appropriate.. But us waqt tu hum bhi corrupt hochukay honge..so then as always, the only change we would like to bring will be through another NRO...

But i liked the fact..tht since i raised questions..so i was doubted upon...and asked what i am doing, to bring change? As if i am the PM....

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