I bet if Indian unveil their domestic AESA radar, it will look the same too
But they are too thick skinned to admit it.
JF-17 Block III's proposed AESA Radar KLJ-7A
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“首次亮相航展的国产KLJ-7A型机载有源相控阵火控雷达的作战距离为170千米，与F-35的水平相当，而且这是在该型
雷达的体积要小于F-35装备雷达的水平上实现的。
= The KLJ-7A's tracking range is equal to the F-35's radar- but the radar(KLJ-7A) itself is smaller in size
”中国电子科技集团下属第14研究所所长助理、技术专家王宏哲在回答记者提问时表示。10月31日，第14研究所举办了一场小规模的媒体见面会。14所是中国雷达工业的发源地，拥有目前国内最全面的雷达研发、制造谱系，被军方誉为“三军之眼、国之重器”。见面会上，王宏哲介绍了14所在本次航展上重点展出的产品，其中包括珠海航展20年来首次亮相的国产机载有源相控阵火控雷达、多款可有效对付最先进隐形飞机的反隐身雷达、全面多用途化的“非典型”武器定位雷达等等。
龙之眼：国产机载有源火控雷达首次亮相航展
在我国的战机的命名体系中，战斗机享有最高优先权，使用了象征中华民族的图腾“龙”，如歼-10“猛龙”、FC-1“枭龙”等先进战斗机。其中，大部分国产战机装备的都是14所研制的机载火控雷达，如歼-10、歼-11B、歼-15、“枭龙”等。
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Most of the radars on China's combat jets (such as J-10A, J-11B, J-15A, JF-17, etc, etc)- are developed by
Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) aka Institute 14
本次航展上，14所展出了KLJ-7A型国产机载有源相控阵火控雷达——这是珠海航展20年历史中首次有国产的此类雷达展出，弥补了航展的一项空白。
= This is the first time in the 20 years of Zhuhai Airshow's history that a domestically-developed radar of such class makes its appearance.
据悉，当前世界上只有极少数国家能够研制此类雷达。王宏哲介绍，KLJ-7A具备现代机载有源相控阵火控雷达所有优点，不仅能够完成基本的探测任务，在实现电子对抗等多用途方面也有重大突破，整体技术水平可与国际顶尖同类产品相媲美。
隐身时代来了？兵来将挡，水来土掩
近年来，隐身化逐渐成为各类武器的主要发展趋势之一，对现有雷达探测系统产生了极大威胁。随着F-22、F-35、B-2等先进战机开始在日本、关岛等地部署或出没，亚太地区已经步入“隐身时代”。
与隐身技术兴起如影随形的是反隐身技术的发展，而雷达在反隐身中的用途是首当其冲的。
为积极应对这一趋势，14所目前已经开发出多类反隐身雷达系统，其中就包括本次珠海航展上展出的非常成熟的YLC-8B型机动式预警相控阵雷达和SLC-7多功能相控阵雷达，两者均对隐身目标进行了重点优化。
YLC-8B雷达工作在UHF波段，具备探测目标类型多样、反隐身能力强、分辨率高、扫描范围大、抗干扰能力强等特点，主要性能指标优于国外同类型雷达产品。“业内一种流行的说法是，YLC-8B雷达看多远，东海防空识别区就能划多远。”王宏哲表示。
SLC-7雷达工作在L波段，采用多项成熟技术，作用距离远、测量精度高，抗干扰能力强，并兼具目标类型分辨和敌我识别能力，且作战对象广泛，包括隐身飞机、空地导弹、火炮等等。
王宏哲还表示，YLC-8B和SLC-7仍只是我国反隐身雷达体系中的一环，这个体系包含一套完整的反隐身设备。
耳目一新的特色雷达产品
除了上述产品，14所还展示了多款颇觉特色的雷达。
YLC-48是一款颇具创新性的便携式多功能侦察雷达，两名士兵就可以把雷达“拉着走”。这种小型雷达采用先进的圆形相控阵雷达，可实现360度全方位波束电扫，具备同时探测、跟踪任意方位来袭的低空飞行目标和迫击炮的能力，其中针对迫击炮的探测范围约为10公里，针对低空目标探测范围约20公里。其实用性和便携性引人瞩目。
KLC-11机载多功能监视雷达，系新型的合成孔径雷达，将主要用于无人战机平台。与国外同类型产品总体性能相当、甚至有所超越，尤其是目标识别能力十分优秀，具有很高的性价比。当前，我国的无人攻击机出口势头凶猛，这款雷达将有助于推动国产无人攻击机出口规模的扩大。
首次展出的SLC-2E多功能武器定位雷达，是由我国对外武器出口拳头产品（SLC-2基础型炮兵定位雷达）发展而来的“第3代”。至今，SLC-2基础型炮兵定位雷达已对外出口近百套，并且经受住了残酷的实战检验，受到用户高度评价，成为了明星产品。王宏哲表示，SLC-2E的亮点在于多功能，除了传统的“炮兵定位”，还能担负起区域防空警戒的任务，这在同类产品中相当罕见的。
最后，在回答澎湃新闻记者关于歼-20采用的雷达是否比公布的更先进时，王宏哲神秘地微笑道：“你猜呢？”
“首次亮相航展的国产KLJ-7A型机载有源相控阵火控雷达的作战距离为170千米，与F-35的水平相当，而且这是在该型
雷达的体积要小于F-35装备雷达的水平上实现的。
= The KLJ-7A's tracking range is equal to the F-35's radar- but the radar(KLJ-7A) itself is smaller in size
”中国电子科技集团下属第14研究所所长助理、技术专家王宏哲在回答记者提问时表示。10月31日，第14研究所举办了一场小规模的媒体见面会。14所是中国雷达工业的发源地，拥有目前国内最全面的雷达研发、制造谱系，被军方誉为“三军之眼、国之重器”。见面会上，王宏哲介绍了14所在本次航展上重点展出的产品，其中包括珠海航展20年来首次亮相的国产机载有源相控阵火控雷达、多款可有效对付最先进隐形飞机的反隐身雷达、全面多用途化的“非典型”武器定位雷达等等。
龙之眼：国产机载有源火控雷达首次亮相航展
在我国的战机的命名体系中，战斗机享有最高优先权，使用了象征中华民族的图腾“龙”，如歼-10“猛龙”、FC-1“枭龙”等先进战斗机。其中，大部分国产战机装备的都是14所研制的机载火控雷达，如歼-10、歼-11B、歼-15、“枭龙”等。
=
Most of the radars on China's combat jets (such as J-10A, J-11B, J-15A, JF-17, etc, etc)- are developed by
Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) aka Institute 14
本次航展上，14所展出了KLJ-7A型国产机载有源相控阵火控雷达——这是珠海航展20年历史中首次有国产的此类雷达展出，弥补了航展的一项空白。
= This is the first time in the 20 years of Zhuhai Airshow's history that a domestically-developed radar of such class makes its appearance.
据悉，当前世界上只有极少数国家能够研制此类雷达。王宏哲介绍，KLJ-7A具备现代机载有源相控阵火控雷达所有优点，不仅能够完成基本的探测任务，在实现电子对抗等多用途方面也有重大突破，整体技术水平可与国际顶尖同类产品相媲美。
隐身时代来了？兵来将挡，水来土掩
近年来，隐身化逐渐成为各类武器的主要发展趋势之一，对现有雷达探测系统产生了极大威胁。随着F-22、F-35、B-2等先进战机开始在日本、关岛等地部署或出没，亚太地区已经步入“隐身时代”。
与隐身技术兴起如影随形的是反隐身技术的发展，而雷达在反隐身中的用途是首当其冲的。
为积极应对这一趋势，14所目前已经开发出多类反隐身雷达系统，其中就包括本次珠海航展上展出的非常成熟的YLC-8B型机动式预警相控阵雷达和SLC-7多功能相控阵雷达，两者均对隐身目标进行了重点优化。
YLC-8B雷达工作在UHF波段，具备探测目标类型多样、反隐身能力强、分辨率高、扫描范围大、抗干扰能力强等特点，主要性能指标优于国外同类型雷达产品。“业内一种流行的说法是，YLC-8B雷达看多远，东海防空识别区就能划多远。”王宏哲表示。
SLC-7雷达工作在L波段，采用多项成熟技术，作用距离远、测量精度高，抗干扰能力强，并兼具目标类型分辨和敌我识别能力，且作战对象广泛，包括隐身飞机、空地导弹、火炮等等。
王宏哲还表示，YLC-8B和SLC-7仍只是我国反隐身雷达体系中的一环，这个体系包含一套完整的反隐身设备。
耳目一新的特色雷达产品
除了上述产品，14所还展示了多款颇觉特色的雷达。
YLC-48是一款颇具创新性的便携式多功能侦察雷达，两名士兵就可以把雷达“拉着走”。这种小型雷达采用先进的圆形相控阵雷达，可实现360度全方位波束电扫，具备同时探测、跟踪任意方位来袭的低空飞行目标和迫击炮的能力，其中针对迫击炮的探测范围约为10公里，针对低空目标探测范围约20公里。其实用性和便携性引人瞩目。
KLC-11机载多功能监视雷达，系新型的合成孔径雷达，将主要用于无人战机平台。与国外同类型产品总体性能相当、甚至有所超越，尤其是目标识别能力十分优秀，具有很高的性价比。当前，我国的无人攻击机出口势头凶猛，这款雷达将有助于推动国产无人攻击机出口规模的扩大。
首次展出的SLC-2E多功能武器定位雷达，是由我国对外武器出口拳头产品（SLC-2基础型炮兵定位雷达）发展而来的“第3代”。至今，SLC-2基础型炮兵定位雷达已对外出口近百套，并且经受住了残酷的实战检验，受到用户高度评价，成为了明星产品。王宏哲表示，SLC-2E的亮点在于多功能，除了传统的“炮兵定位”，还能担负起区域防空警戒的任务，这在同类产品中相当罕见的。
最后，在回答澎湃新闻记者关于歼-20采用的雷达是否比公布的更先进时，王宏哲神秘地微笑道：“你猜呢？”
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Two observations:
1) The nose cone of B model seems to have been extended. I guess it may hint towards the placement of a yet bigger radar module (AESA )?
2) Refueling probe seems to be fixed (non extendable). How wise is to have such an arrangement as it could lead to an enhanced radar cross section thereby (i am conjecturing here) negating the potential reduction in the RCS from having a DSI?
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It's interesting how you can tell that it's a "copy", even when it has a shroud covering it.
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not allegedly when it looks the exact same the only question is does it performs the same? i only see 2 processing units from the pictures assuming chinese are using the latest in terms of chips what is available to ELTA and other non chinese manufactures it approximately may have around 800-900 T/R modules in POP or packet on packet arrangement anything more than that is a hogwash and impractical too since you are bottlenecked by the processing chips detecting is only half the job calculating the co-ordinates in real time and managing everything is a bigger challenge.
karl marx was a idiot he also said that Islam divides the world into two, into the believers of Islam and into the rest, and that Islam wages a perpetual war on the rest
do you believe that? i guess so if you believe what else he says stealing is stealing say what you will
yes and there were lot of other things supplied to china along with the partial algorithms which they must have implemented in their other systems
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There is no evidence that this radar is based off any Elta product. There are multiple companies that have been building AESA radars for years; there is simply no need to use an Elta AESA radar as the basis of their products.
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i work for the same contractor that supplied you everything that you claim as yours today i was able to tell it was a AESA without knowing chinese just because it is based on the same modular design on which majority of elta AESA platforms are based on.I bet if Indian unveil their domestic AESA radar, it will look the same too
But they are too thick skinned to admit it.
its exactly same down to every single node you might think you're smart stealing while rest of the modern non CCP world disagrees with you.
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This is the Zhuk-AE. FGA-29.
I bet if Indian unveil their domestic AESA radar, it will look the same too
But they are too thick skinned to admit it.
Nope.
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170KM is that for transport planes????
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Is it better then the Radar's on our F-16 Block 52?
and does that fit in the JF-17 Nose cone?
and does that fit in the JF-17 Nose cone?
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if it's anywhere near the level of the performance of ELM 2052 it will be much better than the block 52 radars its range or might i say raw range might be less in terms of distance but AESA has much more clear picture of the battlespace and its highly prone to jamming or electronic warfare which mechanical radars absolutely gets outmatched against so yeah it will be a really good addition in pakistani arsenal though i would say selex would be a absolute game changer if you guys can partner with them.
if its built with JF17 in mind it will fit but but thats not everything will there be enough power to operate it and enough cooling to optimize its performance thats another question.
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Stop yr BS, you are probably just a waiter at a cafe.
Talking nonsense here. I can claim I am 4 star general here.
Btw, as for copy. A good reality call for Indians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3466117.stm
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Well that's an opinion of an Indian...so it doesn't affect the reality. But the difference between China and India is that even if Chinese copy, they know their stuff and are able to do it successfully but you Indians fail and fail terribly...the classic example is Tejas
and by the way what Chinese do is technically called reverse engineering; a highly complicated and advance field in engineering.
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No doubt, it will be an upgrade from current KLJ-7 radar but, this is NOT an AESA radar. I think the term AESA doesn't translate well in Mandarin or something but, this is NOT an AESA radar.
This is an upgraded PESA radar with SAR mode comparable to RDY-3 produced by Thales.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/fr/worldwide/defense/rdy-3-airborne-fire-control-radar
This is an upgraded PESA radar with SAR mode comparable to RDY-3 produced by Thales.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/fr/worldwide/defense/rdy-3-airborne-fire-control-radar
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