If Pakistan and 21 other countries have abolished triple talaq, why can't India?

naveedullahkhankhattak said:

the nation should allow them to do what they want to do. why should someone force other countries laws on them?

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A serious comprehension issue here.

Once again let me try..

1. India has a constitution.
2. It says all men & women are equal before the law.
3. The law says women enjoy equal rights as men.
4 Muslim men in India are holding on to antiquated religious laws which gives the male to divorce & marry at will.
5. Point No 4 above is not available to Muslims ladies with the same ease as men have.
6. A Muslim lady - Shah Bano went to court on this seeking redress on the issue of triple talaq.
7. In line with points 1 & 2 above the Supreme Court asked the Govt for its stand.
8. The Govt has given its stand which was similar to those applicable to Hindu & other religions, i.e. what the constitution says is what should happen.
9. Meanwhile, there are 20 + Muslim nations who have moved on & do not follow such practices, this includes YOUR nation . So why should some Indian Muslim Males object ?

Now, would you like me to draw this for you ?

BlackIndian said:

Lowly are you forcibly converted dalits of North-west sub-continent. Tipu was a Pakistani? Now that's what they teach you at your local madarassa. You should as for a refund. 2 goats and 1 donkey would do.

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I'm Baluch we don't have Dalits or your pathetic caste system ... As for Tipu yes his ancestors were from modern day Hazara .. His father was a soldier who became a King...

As for madrasa it literally translates into school .. It's the Arabic word for it...

As for your nonsense.. Why don't you go eat cow feces to calm down... monkey ..

DESERT FIGHTER said:

What am I doing ? If you thump the constitution so much try to enforce it rather than making hollow claims.

What snide remarks ? Those are ground realities face them,work them out for the betterment of your own people... It wouldn't benefit us but you.

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And making laws is not the first step toward it, right?

Only once all religious practice other than muslim becomes perfect, then only Indian constitution should look into regressive Islamic practices. That is what you suggest?

DESERT FIGHTER said:

I'm Baluch we don't have Dalits or your pathetic caste system ... As for Tipu yes his ancestors were from modern day Hazara .. His father was a soldier who became a King...

As for madrasa it literally translates into school .. It's the Arabic word for it...

As for your nonsense.. Why don't you go eat cow feces to calm down... monkey ..

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The holy prophet of Islam was an Arab not baluch. Read your own unbiased history you dumb inbred.

Don't lecture me about Tipu you vile creature. I have a historian in my family.

-xXx- said:

And making laws is not the first step toward it, right?

Only once all religious practice other than muslim becomes perfect, then only Indian constitution should look into regressive Islamic practices. That is what you suggest?

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It seems you didn't understand what I meant to reply ...

No I'm not against making such laws .. I'm more for enforcement of those laws..

BlackIndian said:

The holy prophet of Islam was an Arab not baluch.

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Did I claim that?

Your too stupid monkey boy..

Read your own unbiased history you dumb inbred.

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Lol inbred ? Coming from a monkey most likely a product of blood uncle - niece marriage ..

Don't lecture me about Tipu you vile creature. I have a historian in my family.

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Oh you do? The kind that claims Indians invented intergallactic space saucers,nuclear wars and how the evil Muslim built Taj mehal was a Hindu temple and whatnot ?

@DESERT FIGHTER Don't marry your cousin. And do your future generations a big favor.

Don't quote me again. I don't like to talk to impure unintelligent baboons.

DESERT FIGHTER said:

It seems you didn't understand what I meant to reply ...

No I'm not against making such laws .. I'm more for enforcement of those laws..

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We all are.

I am 100% with you that the law need to be better enforced and they are but too slowly. Just look at "sati". That custom didn't stopped the day law was passed, but it took sometime. But then we have to start from somewhere and enacting the law is very first step.

At least it will put stop on law fearing people who were otherwise emboldened by absence of it.

Rest need to be educated, taken in confidence and then seek cooperation in gutting out all the regressive customs and laws, irrespective of religion.

You know what, the real concern among Indian muslims are that they are forced to follow hindu law. Infact its wrong.

For e.g. Polygamy was there among hindus. But law forced them to go away with polygamy in 1952.

So if government ask muslims to do away with polygamy, it seems like following the hindu way. Monogamy was never a hindu way to say so. It was the right way, imposed first on hindus, and now on muslims.

BlackIndian said:

@DESERT FIGHTER Don't marry your cousin. And do your future generations a big

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Nah I'm already married .. Outside my ethnic group ..

Hope you won't marry your blood niece ... that's what blood on blood inbreeding does make retarded babies like yourself.

Don't quote me again. I don't like to talk to impure unintelligent baboons.

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Lol take a look at the mirror .. And your posts .. Monkey..

-xXx- said:

We all are.

I am 100% with you that the law need to be better enforced and they are but too slowly. Just look at "sati". That custom didn't stopped the day law was passed, but it took sometime. But then we have to start from somewhere and enacting the law is very first step.

At least it will put stop on law fearing people who were otherwise emboldened by absence of it.

Rest need to be educated, taken in confidence and then seek cooperation in gutting out all the regressive customs and laws, irrespective of religion.

You know what, the real concern among Indian muslims are that they are forced to follow hindu law. Infact its wrong.

For e.g. Polygamy was there among hindus. But law forced them to go away with polygamy in 1952.

So if government ask muslims to do away with polygamy, it seems like following the hindu way. Monogamy was never a hindu way to say so. It was the right way, imposed first on hindus, and now on muslims.

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Banning polygamy in my opinion was a good thing ... Even in Islam for a second marriage there are certain conditions that have to be met to consider a second marriage .. Consent of the first wife,financial,emotional and other conditions are also to be met..

Although legal polygamy is still a taboo in Pakistan ...

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Lol take a look at the mirror .. And your posts .. Monkey..

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The monkeys have goat beards. You should probably look in the mirror if you can afford one. Thank Allah you got your own country. Or you would be washing my car and saluting me in the morning.

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Banning polygamy in my opinion was a good thing ... Even in Islam for a second marriage there are certain conditions that have to be met to consider a second marriage .. Consent of the first wife,financial,emotional and other conditions are also to be met..

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I am aware of that. But one need not to marry more than once to be muslim, its not a "farz".

And we, as a human knows that no women in her heart feel equal and loved if her husband marry some other woman. If she can not marry more than one man at a time, why should man do? Simple math.

We can always let go things which will not harm the core beliefs of ours - religious or conscience.

I do not think a muslim will be lessor muslim if he -
1- Do not engage in polygamy.
2- Do not engage in triple talaq.
3- Give equal share to her daughter from her property.

Infact beside being a muslim, he would be a better human. I hope you agree.

BlackIndian said:

The monkeys have goat beards. You should probably look in the mirror if you can afford one. Thank Allah you got your own country. Or you would be washing my car and saluting me in the morning.

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Lol .. Monkeys with goat beards ? Are you sharing goats too apart from your nieces ?


As for me washing and saluting .. Sire thank your Gods you are safe sitting a thousand miles away .. Or else you'd be polishing my shoes and called chuhras .


Remember 1 Tipu from our soil made your kind his women... Imagine millions more.

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Lol .. Monkeys with goat beards ? Are you sharing goats too apart from your nieces ?


As for me washing and saluting .. Sire thank your Gods you are safe sitting a thousand miles away .. Or else you'd be polishing my shoes and called chuhras .


Remember 1 Tipu from our soil made your kind his women... Imagine millions more.

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You barbarians don't know how to converse in a civilised manner. So I will speak to you in the same manner.

My dumb friend I am not from south India. If you want to resort to some mediveal chest thumping contest. Then I will oblige you. The baluchs were a bunch of feudal dacoits ruling over a small territory. While my ancestors ruled an empire from south India to attock. We made Muslims rulers of Delhi and North our hijabi side-pieces.

Boast about being baloch to some muhajir or Punjabi. You were nothing and always be nothing. Some desert dwelling uncivilized coon.

GreenFalcon said:

What about the people in the villages and remote areas?

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Depends according to place..
It's not like these are prohibited.
A portion of Hindus also consume beef.

UkroTurk said:

for you women and cows are same!
What a disgusting topic!
We are living in the 21th century.
That's why Muslims can't go further.

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Nobody said women & cows are same..
Do whatever you want whether polygamy or triple Talaq or marrying minor or blowing up keep it to Turkey only.

AUz said:

That said, Muslims in india deserve to have their own lifestyle based on Islamic Shari'ah for their personal affairs and life. Unified civil code shouldn't be imposed on them.

Islamic community of india is on path to reach 300 million by 2050, or approximately 20% of the total population (Mashallah se!) despite all the oppression, rape, cruelty, and humiliation imposed on them by the majority Hindus.

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Such a contradiction in your own post. If they were oppressed/raped, subject to cruelty and humiliation. India's Muslim population wouldn't be flourishing. Despite of what you may think Indian Muslims don't have it too bad. Albeit, shameful incidents of religious clashes takes place here and there. That's human nature though. Even in Muslim countries people fighting over the sect.

And all the major democracies of the world except for India have UCC. Including the one you're living in right now.

AUz said:

Triple talaq 'at once' isn't the traditional Islamic divorce method.

In traditional Islam, the 'triple' talaq happens over the course of couple of months as the efforts are supposed to be made to have the couple reconcile (as the article describe many Muslim countries having this system).

However, in subcontinent, triple talaq at once has become the norm. It is allowed, but not the preferred way within the classical Islamic jurisprudence.

That said, Muslims in india deserve to have their own lifestyle based on Islamic Shari'ah for their personal affairs and life. Unified civil code shouldn't be imposed on them.

Islamic community of india is on path to reach 300 million by 2050, or approximately 20% of the total population (Mashallah se!) despite all the oppression, rape, cruelty, and humiliation imposed on them by the majority Hindus.

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All you care about breeding & spreading religion..
Muslims should care about tacking poverty,education,progression..See why other community have their population in control..