Partying with jihadis

The Sandman said:

It's all propaganda according to our zionist member here every country is a saint except Pakistan according to him.

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if you even so speak critically of Israel you are an anti-Semite. I'm just surprised no ones banned him yet

The Sandman said:

It's all propaganda according to our zionist member here every country is a saint except Pakistan according to him.

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The @Solomon2 kid is confused, he only knows one narrrative ,the one that is spewed by fox news lol

haviZsultan said:

US has done much that it needs to account for. They formed the Haqqanis and sat with them supping tea and now they dare to criticize Pakistan. Anyway they are right about politicians. PPPP and PMLN have all contested elections with ASWJ as partners. Mian Mithoo was appointed by PPPP, Rinkle Kumari and Rimsha Masih incidents happened during their rule. I have constantly been saying this and say so again. PPPP fools people by talking about its liberal inclinations but in reality is the worst mullahistic party in the country. Even Abdul Aziz was released by them. These politicians have no right to talk about militaries militant support when they themselves are rolling in the dust.

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So the OP is right..blaming just the isi or pak army for supporting terror groups isn't right. The Pakistani politicians have their own coterie of terrorist groups. One can understand that, you probably cannot come to power in Pakistan without the support of a militant group or two.

Politics is an ugly game, but surprisingly in Pakistan, your army plays it well too.

MilSpec said:

What I see is a a representative of the mujhahideen that fought against soviets, a strategy that aligned with the IS at that given time. The same clan later went on to support the ISI backed Mullah Omar to consolidate the most heinous regime known to mankind since the dark ages.

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So when the strategy aligns with US they are mujahideen but when they turn their weapons on child molesters they are the most heinous regime . I hope you know what Rasheed Dostam stands for

MilSpec said:

When some one posts a pic of haqqani in whitehouse to imply support to Jihadist elements, a pic of Bugti is in the same stride to show you the mirror.

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I already wrote and I am writing again, then I will tell you problem of Indians. Nawab was second after Khan of Kalat in favor of Pakistan just after partition. He himself remained Governor, his son in law is now minister. If a man in president house killed him, then that man who was in president house at that time is now running from court as he could get capital punishment in murder of Bugti. A person just misused his powers, how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? when state is after his murderer. So many other people in Pakistan were assassinated by Men in Power just misusing their powers but an Indian found only Governor Akbar Bugti. Why ? I tell you.

Yes I know pain of Indians, after modi's shout for Balochistan, Indians are finding every thing in Balochistan even Nawab Akber Bugti as jihadist. They found so much love for Bugti today even without knowing that who he was and who is after his murderer. It's not Indian court, it's Pakistani court.

And one thing more that pic what you posted is of PM and Governor of that time. It's not a mirror, it's not even related to this thread far miles and miles, but what it actaully is, that I know and have just explained.

Its kosher when boys from the west befriend, provoke and party with jihadist. It becomes strictly anti-peace, anti-democracy and anti-humanity when somebody else does this! militancy and terrorism thrives on funding to make headlines otherwise it maybe just a protest outside a press club!

Solomon2 said:

The Chinese say, "Give a man a fish and you've fed him for a day; teach him to fish and you've fed him for the rest of his life."

The Chinese do NOT say, "Teach a man to fish, and you're to blame for whatever he chooses to do with his life from then on."

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the world is really fucked up when an american is quoting a chinese proverb

!eon said:

I already wrote and I am writing again, then I will tell you problem of Indians. Nawab was second after Khan of Kalat in favor of Pakistan just after partition. He himself remained Governor, his son in law is now minister. If a man in president house killed him, then that man who was in president house at that time is now running from court as he could get capital punishment in murder of Bugti. A person just misused his powers, how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? when state is after his murderer. So many other people in Pakistan were assassinated by Men in Power just misusing their powers but an Indian found only Governor Akbar Bugti. Why ? I tell you.

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"how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? " Because the state of Pakistan being represented by the President Pervez Musharraf did kill him. It was not a like Musharraf went and stabbed him in a ally. It was not just President Musharraf but the list of accused included officials included the former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, former Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, former Governor of Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani, former Chief Minister of Balochistan Jam Mohammad Yousaf, former Provincial Home Minister Shoaib Nosherwani, and former Deputy Commissioner Abdul Samad Lasi. All these were named suspects in the F.I.R. registered by police regarding the killing of Bugti in the "military operation".

MilSpec said:

"how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? " Because the state of Pakistan being represented by the President Pervez Musharraf did kill him. It was not a like Musharraf went and stabbed him in a ally. It was not just President Musharraf but the list of accused included officials included the former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, former Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, former Governor of Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani, former Chief Minister of Balochistan Jam Mohammad Yousaf, former Provincial Home Minister Shoaib Nosherwani, and former Deputy Commissioner Abdul Samad Lasi. All these were named suspects in the F.I.R. registered by police regarding the killing of Bugti in the "military operation".

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Bugti was an elected representative and held many positions in Balochistan sir, Musharraf went ape shit on him for political reasons and left him no choice other than to pick arms. Comparing him with Talis is way off the mark. Our Pakistani member is right on this.

MilSpec said:

"how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? " Because the state of Pakistan being represented by the President Pervez Musharraf did kill him. It was not a like Musharraf went and stabbed him in a ally. It was not just President Musharraf but the list of accused included officials included the former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, former Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, former Governor of Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani, former Chief Minister of Balochistan Jam Mohammad Yousaf, former Provincial Home Minister Shoaib Nosherwani, and former Deputy Commissioner Abdul Samad Lasi. All these were named suspects in the F.I.R. registered by police regarding the killing of Bugti in the "military operation".

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And what this has to do with this thread, any link for miles and miles ?

No matter what ever you say, it's just to drag Baluchistan anywhere possible. Why didn't you mention the assination of other person in that pic ? How was he assassinated ? Death of bugti and bhutto is same. why don't you say state has assassinated him ?
I know, because he is not Baloch.

!eon said:

And what this has to do with this thread, any link for miles and miles ?

No matter what ever you say, it's just to drag Baluchistan anywhere possible. Why didn't you mention the assination of other person in that pic ? How was he assassinated ? Death of bugti and bhutto is same. why don't you say state has assassinated him ?
I know, because he is not Baloch.

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Wait Bhutto was arraigned by the high court of Lahore, and Bugti was declared as the enemy of the state by the Government of Pakistan. Bhutto was executed, not assassinated by the mandate of the existing legal system of Pakistan.

Your assertions of actual Government and Legal actions being termed as murders and assassinations doesn't bode well for the image of your own country, it makes Pakistan sound like a banana republic.


Now for the sake of simplicity of understanding.

Haqqani > enemy of US forces > pictured with reagan {back when the relations were amicable}
Bugti>enemy of Pak forces > pictured with Bhutto {back when the relations were amicable}

hopefully that explains the logic of the image, if it doesn't I can keep going.

khujliwal said:

Bugti was an elected representative and held many positions in Balochistan sir, Musharraf went ape shit on him for political reasons and left him no choice other than to pick arms. Comparing him with Talis is way off the mark. Our Pakistani member is right on this.

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I am not comparing Bugti with any taliban.

I posted an image of Bugti sharing a Cigar with bhutto , in response to a Haqqani image with reagan,

the logic is when the strategic overview is similar certain entities share amicable relationship, but the same entities can embark on a path of animosity when thier strategic equations change. Is it that hard to decipher?

MilSpec said:

Wait Bhutto was araigned by the high court of Lahore, and Bugti was declared as the enemy of the state by the Government of Pakistan. Bhutto was executed, not assassinated by the mandate of the existing legal system of Pakistan.

Your assertions of actual Government and Legal actions being termed as murders and assassinations doesn't bode well for the image of your own country, it makes Pakistan sound like a banana republic.


Now for the sake of simplicity of understanding.

Haqqani > enemy of US forces > pictured with reagan {back when the relations were amicable}
Bugti>enemy of Pak forces > pictured with Bhutto {back when the relations were amicable}

hopefully that explains the logic of the image, if it doesn't I can keep going.


I am not comparing Bugti with any taliban.

I posted an image of Bugti sharing a Cigar with bhutto , in response to a Haqqani image with reagan,

the logic is when the strategic overview is similar certain entities share amicable relationship, but the same entities can embark on a path of animosity when thier strategic equations change. Is it that hard to decipher?

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Ohh ok.. makes sense. On the other hand, as some have brought US in the discussion, the author is not that much concerned whether Pakistan is in cahoots with jehadis are not. The whole point is the recognition they get and the say they have in Pakistan itself. US did host haqqanis but didn't give them a sanctuary in US territory. There lies the difference in policy.

khujliwal said:

Ohh ok.. makes sense. On the other hand, as some have brought US in the discussion, the author is not that much concerned whether Pakistan is in cahoots with jehadis are not. The whole point is the recognition they get and the say they have in Pakistan itself. US did host haqqanis but didn't give them a sanctuary in US territory. There lies the difference in policy.

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It's a bit simplistic, Charlie Wilson in his effort to create a Vietnam for Soviets blindly went into the ISI business plan. They did what they had to do for selling it to the american public to gather support for the Afghan mujaheddin project. Reagen being the ever dog and pony show aficionado signed up for hosting Haqqanis. Keep in mind that Haqqani/hekymetyaar were the poster boy mujhahideen of the ISI, from Day 1 ISI was quite clear about who they wanted to support to come to power, after years of failures with Hezb-e islami of gulbudeen hekymetyaar, they were able to rebrand themselves as taliban under the the new one eyed manager. That was the aim from day 1, please do not doubt for one minute that Pakistan was pro Mujhahideen, Pakistan was Pro-mujhahideen that it controlled. Case and point Ahmed Shh Massoud.

Anyways, the underhanded hypocrisy of trying to equate the Mujhideens of the soviet war with the taliban scums of Mullah omar is quite often played here, and that is what pisses me off. Most the Pakistani members posting this drivel very well know the that they are conscientiously trying to belittle the genuine efforts of the Afghan movement back in the eighties by equating them with Taliban to absolve their complicity with Taliban, which is disingenuous and disgusting in opinion.

MilSpec said:

"how can Indians say state of Pakistan or Army killed him ? " Because the state of Pakistan being represented by the President Pervez Musharraf did kill him. It was not a like Musharraf went and stabbed him in a ally. It was not just President Musharraf but the list of accused included officials included the former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, former Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Sherpao, former Governor of Balochistan Owais Ahmed Ghani, former Chief Minister of Balochistan Jam Mohammad Yousaf, former Provincial Home Minister Shoaib Nosherwani, and former Deputy Commissioner Abdul Samad Lasi. All these were named suspects in the F.I.R. registered by police regarding the killing of Bugti in the "military operation".

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Your PM was involved in Gujarat Massacre
Please explain why is he a PM of India

Doordie said:

Your PM was involved in Gujarat Massacre
Please explain why is he a PM of India

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Your lack on common sense is not my problem, And by your logic, Your Quad-e-azam was responsible for Direct action day massacre of millions and thousands during partition, explain why he was your First governor gen and president of constituent assm.

Narendra Modi was the CM of Gujrat when Godhra riots took place, he was not found guilty of any charges levied against him by the highest Supreme Court of India...