Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

well for me it makes no sense to to prosecute newspaper which did its work of free journalism by publishing the leaks it got from third party. secondly no Australian law seems to be broken, at most they can be asked to join investigations

French govt shall go after the culprit who has stolen the data and later alleged to have shared with other countries in south east

jha said:

This episode has given us the just reason for cancelling P-75I and instead focus on own SSKs. HSL and MDL along with L&T can develop decent SSKs.

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I'll be honest and admit that it's the step in the right direction but an indigenous designed SSK (Project 76) is atleast 15 years away in reality. I can be optimistic and say 10 years but it won't be true in Indian Stretched Time. Regardless of the type, India will need atleast 10 SSK to augment the fleet by 2030. This maybe follow on Kilo/Scorpene or P75I. P75I is expected to be a significant step ahead of P75 project and will be our best SSKs in future with regards to capability.

Personally I'd prefer us not go for follow-on orders and instead proceed with P75I and develop an indigenous design parallel to P75I starting 2020. This may work out out to have the first P75I join the service by 2022-23 provided a type is decided by 2017 fiscal year and first Indigenous submarine to join fleet by 2028-30. However the most important thing is to have the intention and bureaucratic assistance to move it further without prolonging it too far.

Good Day all!

Nilgiri said:

Revealing copyrighted and restricted IP information constitutes a tort, which can be prosecuted.

Anything that can be prosecuted can merit an extradition.

This has nothing to do with the original theft.

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Nope, doesn't stand. Not outside France. The newspaper is not liable in France, they broke no Australian law. Highly classified information of countries like the U.S. have been revealed elsewhere without a prosecution, other than those directly accused of the leak. The Australian newspaper isn't run by kids, they know what they are doing.

Indrajit said:

Nope, doesn't stand. Not outside France. The newspaper is not liable in France, they broke no Australian law. Highly classified information of countries like the U.S. have been revealed elsewhere without a prosecution, other than those directly accused of the leak.

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Yep. Can't penalize the Newspaper. The person who stole the data and if someone had paid him to do that, they will be considered the culprits.

Good Day!

@BON PLAN

I watched this (maybe)



This is in a Kilo. Interesting look apart from foodie habit of the two.

They are our very own SLBM. To be fired from forward torp tubes


Interesting tidbits for those not aware

1. Very cramped sub.

2. Usually only one head(toilet) on the boat.(second is a shower only used as an additional store room)

3. No one gets a priority for a runny stomach except the Captain. First come first evacuate basis.

4. Triple bunk system in a cramped room, crew sleeps in the same bunk as per shift. It is more comfortable to sleep under the torpedo tubes. You can sleep on your sides there.

5. No bathing facilities.

6. Medicated disposable clothes are carried, discarded evey 3 days.

7. Captain and XO and MO have their own bunks and 'cabins' with XO and MO sharing. No one else has this privacy.

8. The conn has space of roughly 13 by 13 feet (approx) and is the biggest and most open space.

9. Inherent MARCOS crew is also based in every sub. Now don't ask why!

Some tid-bits might be taken from the Shortfin Barracuda so as to alter the performance values in the manual, you cant decrease the capability so that might be a way forward.

So the fight between competitors turned it into handy and juicy for the rivals while costing much to the India and France. The count of 22400 pages is a sign that tells everything is on risk with respect of critical info yet a possible damage assessment would be running. If the leaked details are fake then competitors with basic info of such product would have make it public to prove the leak as fake while acknowledging themselves for to be correct of information gathered by them. Faking of leaks is highly unlikely and more chances are, it is going to be very interesting for others while on other hand, a damaging stroke for the French in Defence Industry.

To the some (troll) sources, India has played with French on dirty side for the discounts or possible push for other gadgets in minimum cost while playing the victim card of this leak that risked the security at most. To the sources, India played it only on wish & whim of new friend after many of promises to be fulfilled in this category/requirements. Though, this source doesn't carry much weight and seems unlikely and could be wild guess. The business politics especially in the weapon business, is the dirtiest one that even pushed many countries to the war for business gains & profits.

The competitors from MMRCA and more are hell bent for the money alone, and surely, International Business Mafia, especially in Weapons Market, can go to any limit for self benefits and gain in Market that it is about Power & Influence as well along with Money. IMO, French may keep in view of Israel in this subject as well that in near past, relations were sour even Natan Y said "France will have to pay the price".

French side need to check the list of competitors and rivals both yet need to asses the situation and beneficiaries of this leaks that does not give priority to the rivals of India but France in most. Indeed, India's rivals would love to have go through the details that may have cost them billions to gather and many years yet this leak made it very easy and quick even way before the first voyage but most of it seems like, is the work of business competitors of France rather rivals of India.

The leaks are true or not but it causes a situation to worry and reevaluate the whole plan even the mechanism of such machine that, if leaks are valid, the Subject become useless or IN may need long time to adopt new tactics and apply or change internal parts. The statements like, nothing critical is leaked, seems like a damage control and if it is not the case than there wouldn't be heat in offices of Navy. As I said earlier, if the leak is fake, many of competitors would attest such statement very soon and would be giving analysis of contradiction between leaks and real info they gathered but in-case of no such opposition of leaks, French and Indians need to be worrying about this.

However, all guess work and analysis could be wrong but only time will tell though not all the truth will be disclosed in such contexts so don't expect much from media.

@PARIKRAMA

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37192876

India: Scorpene submarine data leak 'no security threat'

India has said that a massive data leak from French shipbuilder DCNS of submarines designed for India's navy did not "pose any security compromise".

The leak of more than 22,000 pages exposes secrets about the combat capabilities of Scorpene-class vessels.

The confidential documents were made public by the Australian media.

India signed a $3.5bn (£2.6bn, €3.1bn) deal for six Scorpene vessels in 2005. They are being built in cooperation with a state-owned Mumbai shipbuilder.

France was asked to investigate the data leak to an Australian website and share its findings with the Indian side. It is not clear who first obtained the confidential documents.

"The documents that have been posted on the website by an Australian news agency have been examined and do not pose any security compromise as the vital parameters have been blacked out," a government statement on Thursday said.

"As a matter of abundant precaution" India is also "examining the impact [it would have] if the information contained in the documents claimed to be available with the Australian sources is compromised", the statement added.

On Thursday evening, The Australian newspaper uploaded on its website a new set of documents detailing the submarine's "underwater warfare system", the Press Trust of India reported.

Defence expert Uday Bhaskar told The Hindu newspaper the document seems "like an instruction manual and does not show any significant addition to what has already been released".

"This does not add to any higher degree of vulnerability than earlier but it shows the level of documentation available in the public," he said.

Earlier this year, DCNS also won Australia's largest-ever defence contract to build a fleet of advanced submarines.

Details about the Shortfin Barracuda submarine class that will be built for Australia were not contained in the leak.

The Scorpene submarines are small-to-intermediate size vessels currently in use in Malaysia and Chile. Brazil is due to deploy the submarine type in 2018.

So now its clear that data leaked is about the technical details of the sub and Australia got its hands somehow. Now why this data is not so important (it can still assist somehow) is because it contains details about parameters of components and its working which is known to Indian builders as well. Every sub building company is aware of those details very well. Other than that, the sensitive data about sub which is not even being shared with India is probably not present in that 22,400 leaked pages. But if this leak is from France's side, its possible, but then in the end its DCNS at loss. Its may or may not have an impact on Indian Navy, its upto experts to decide whether its worth cancelling the deal or not.

Either that or the leak is completely bogus and reported just to mislead 'some' believing into possible wrong details provided in the leak. But then its chances are low because those 'some' experts can validate the technical details of sub provided in the leak just by going through the parameters.

hellfire said:

Not seen, how is it? Worth?

Operation Petticoat & Down Periscope the only ones. The latter, yes, a way too many times, a true inspirational movie, a good leadership role displayed by Lt Cdr Thomas Dodge, wouldn't you agree?

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First one is a comedy.
I don't know yours.... unfortunately.

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I have seen down periscope .. lol.... Kelsey grammer is excellent. Need to see operation petticoat !

Indrajit said:

You would be pretty wrong. Tort proceedings & extradition? They wouldn't even be liable, it is not they who have stolen the documents. They published it when had been passed back & forth since 2011. Public good is almost certainly a factor. If what you said could be possible, then you would not have any news organisation publishing either Wikileaks papers or Snowden's revelations. Even the US knows better, do you think a paper like The Australian is that reckless? French laws will not apply, no Australian laws were broken, no extradition, no nothing.

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The problem is not the tabloid which gave the information. The problem is to find the thief and his accomplices, and to ensure that this kind of incident does not happen again in DCNS and in all the french defense industry.

BON PLAN said:

First one is a comedy.
I don't know yours.... unfortunately.

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Ah you must watch it. Awesome.

Now I think I better stop trolling, @PARIKRAMA will get annoyed. But problem with his threads is, that his research is so thorough and meticulous, that one can simply let him keep posting and get a complete picture. No effort needed, he is absolutely thorough. I have stopped quoting him, except to show am tracking his post. Awesome!

@GuardianRED Operation Petticoat is fun, but a bit different types set in WW-II. Watch it.

hellfire said:

Ah you must watch it. Awesome.

Now I think I better stop trolling, @PARIKRAMA will get annoyed. But problem with his threads is, that his research is so thorough and meticulous, that one can simply let him keep posting and get a complete picture. No effort needed, he is absolutely thorough. I have stopped quoting him, except to show am tracking his post. Awesome!

@GuardianRED Operation Petticoat is fun, but a bit different types set in WW-II. Watch it.

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I will. This week end I'll search it on internet.