U.S. Navy's new $13B aircraft carrier can't fight

ChineseTiger1986 said:

Believe me, the mass production is going to be quick.

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Thats not the same thing as saying you have them now.

Oldman1 said:

Thats not the same thing as saying you have them now.

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Two AC production lines, soon the third destroyer production line and second nuclear sub production line.

Compared to the US, you got one AC production line, two destroyer production lines, and two nuclear sub production lines.

Retired U.S. Navy aircraft carriers at the Bremerton Navy Yard, Bremerton, Wash.

A few hulls are still sitting around doing nothing. Nice emergency reserve (even if it would take some time and a lot of money to restore to operational status).

Well actually the United States are researching and construct new nuclear supercarriers at faster pace than most nations.

Gerarld R. Ford (100.000 tonnes)
First construction started in 2005, keel laid at 2009, and finished in 2016 (not commissioned already), so it's around 11 years of research, developement and construction, while later batch will have shorter time in construction time. There's no issues on its carrier air wing (F-35 has reached operational status) except failures on its new features, which is common.

INS Vikrant (40.000 tonnes)
First preparation/construction around 2008, expected to be fully finished in 2018, so it's could be around 10 years if there's no mishap/delays. There's some issues on its MiG-29K regarding its engines and serviceability.

HMS Queen Elizabeth (70.000 tonnes)
laid down around 2007, expected to be delivered and commissioned in 2017/2020. So it's 10-12 years in construction.

Chinese aircraft carrier (40.000-60.000 tonnes?)
first construction around 2007? there's some issues too with their J-15's, i don't know much either.


any input are welcomed.

ChineseTiger1986 said:

Two AC production lines, soon the third destroyer production line and second nuclear sub production line.

Compared to the US, you got one AC production line, two destroyer production lines, and two nuclear sub production lines.

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since the last decade i had enough with this soon

And then, let's not for get this option for quick construction of commercial hull based 'escort carriers'. These could free up the CVNs for more important duties or replace losses

On this variant, I count 24 F-35B on deck but it has a capacity the capacity to operate and service 30 JSF aircraft. They also carry cargo (strategic sealift)
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/seabase.htm


The two BLA sea base ships share a common hull, and internal design to the main deck. The minimum air capable ship, on the left, has a flight deck forward, and a large superstructure house aft. The fully air capable ship, on the right, has a smaller superstructure house on the aft-starboard side of the flight deck, and more open deck space, including a full 1,000 feet for JSF takeoff runway.



Besides having more and larger full-scale CVs than any other navy, the US has a substantial number of F-35B capable LHA/LHD, including a few that are totally aviation dedicated. This gives redundancy, a better position to deal with attrition. Any commercial hull-based would be complementing these, or quick to construct force multipliers / replacements.

ChineseTiger1986 said:

Two AC production lines, soon the third destroyer production line and second nuclear sub production line.

Compared to the US, you got one AC production line, two destroyer production lines, and two nuclear sub production lines.

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That don't mean anything. We have 2 shipyards building destroyers, amphibious ships and submarines all at the same time. How many destroyers do you have currently? How many do we have currently?

Oldman1 said:

That don't mean anything. We have 2 shipyards building destroyers, amphibious ships and submarines all at the same time. How many destroyers do you have currently? How many do we have currently?

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All our Aegis destroyers all already have AESA with the more advanced VLS.

With 3 shipyards, we should be able to launch 6 Aegis destroyers annually.

In just a decade, we should have 60 Aegis destroyers with AESA and the advanced VLS.

madokafc said:

soon

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since the last decade i had enough with this soon

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We already have two operational AC production line, two destroyer production lines.

It is already confirmed that the third destroyer production line will be operational by 2018.

Now we only have to wait the announcement of the second nuclear submarine production line.

Dude, don't confuse us with India, since we always maintain our words.

When we claimed to build the world's most powerful supercomputer, we just did it.

ChineseTiger1986 said:

All our Aegis destroyers all already have AESA with the more advanced VLS.

With 3 shipyards, we should be able to launch 6 Aegis destroyers annually.

In just a decade, we should have 60 Aegis destroyers with AESA and the advanced VLS.

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And what do you think the US will have a decade from now? They will sit just idle? Not to mention Japan, Australia, South Korea and others in that general area of the world.

ChineseTiger1986 said:

We already have two operational AC production line, two destroyer production lines.

It is already confirmed that the third destroyer production line will be operational by 2018.

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So what is it now? Two or three destroyer lines/yards?

Penguin said:

And what do you think the US will have a decade from now? They will sit just idle? Not to mention Japan, Australia, South Korea and others in that general area of the world.

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The US has many AB Flight I and LA class SSN waiting to be decommissioned, the Ohio class and Ticonderoga class are also getting aged, and their naval fleet's number will start reducing after 2025. The current deployment rate isn't fast enough to fulfill the vacuum.

Penguin said:

So what is it now? Two or three destroyer lines/yards?

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The second production line for the nuclear sub has been established, and the third production line for the destroyer will become fully operational by 2018.

Only a fool will think there is a country who can match the U.S NAVY of all people this decade. Wishful thinking. To be honest, no country even comes close.
The carriers the U S is retiring are far ahead of anything it's next closest competitors(and I mean powers like U.K. France since China is not even close , since it's a new comer to carrier building) can match, much less their newer carriers. In short , they are unbeatable in the high seas.

This beast alone costs as much as almost 4 of our Elizabeth class carriers.

mike2000 is back said:

This beast alone costs as much as almost 4 of our Elizabeth class carriers

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Elizabeth class is the closest to the Ford class there is nothing that can challange these so far

UKBengali said:

ircraft carriers are not really the technology that China has to aim for as all they are just a platform to launch aircraft.

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Then don't try to compare them then.

UKBengali said:

China can well build carriers within a decade that are the size of the Ford-class and be able to launch and recover as many aircraft as well.

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No facts

UKBengali said:

Stop trying to brown-nose whites that you feel inferior to

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Statement is irrelevant and is only used to fill the emptiness due to your lack of facts.
Find something better than ranting nonsense. Its you who is trying to create a China vs US thread and bringing race into it.

UKBengali said:

In case you did not notice, China is currently building 3 Type-052D destroyers in one year.

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Launching or Constructing?
You are needlessly comparing China with US
This is just one of many new American technologies the world is/will see like The Zummwalt-class ,LCSs,Expeditionary Transfer Docks,Expeditionary Mobile Bases etc.

Godman said:

Statement is irrelevant and is only used to fill the emptiness due to your lack of facts.
Find something better than ranting nonsense. Its you who is trying to create a China vs US thread and bringing race into it.

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I honestly have never heard of you before.

People like you need to be very careful about your choice of words as I will only reply to you out of politeness and nothing else since you have absolutely no value to me whatsoever.

Now please never engage me again as I will be forced to put an ignore in my settings for you.

Meh, sh*t happens and this is the first ship of its class.



The first LCS USS Freedom has a lot of bad things happen to it too.



The next ships have a markedly increased availability rate and fewer problems with onboard systems. Lessons learned in the first ship make the others better.



This kind of thing happens with the first ship of a class.

USS Arleigh Burke, the first ship of the name-sake class had a very problematic early life.

After being commissioned, and throughout 1992, Arleigh Burke conducted extensive testing at sea. As is often the case with new ship classes, U.S. Navy officers and shipyard engineers encountered a number of problems with some shipboard systems that required the attention of this warship's design and production agencies. An additional phase of testing was added to verify the effectiveness of the modifications made to these systems – modifications incorporated into later destroyers of the Arleigh Burke class.



Especially as the ships incorporated so many net technologies their predecessor didn't.



Ticonderoga helped test many of the systems, but far more were incorporated onto a US ship for the first time in DDG-51.

This type of stuff happens.

Godman said:

Elizabeth class is the closest to the Ford class there is nothing that can challange these so far

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The closest to the Gerald Ford class is the Nimitz class.