Gravitational waves announcement: Scientists confirm detection of ripples in spacetime

If i am not mistaking time travel is only possible into the future cuz

So when they collided did they like bend the fabric of time of near by galaxies?I mean like i do know that time is affected near bodies with massive gravitational forces like blackholes but did their collision create a huge area of influence temporarily?

jamahir said:

meesna??

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Ghuna!

Science for dummies.

jamahir said:

this may be a clue[1] :


this is like the failed efforts of the iter "fusion power" project.

all this will take a rethinking... anti-matter is real unlike all this mathematical delusions called "gravity waves" and "space-time continuum".

as for clean energy, biofuel combustion and "solar power tower" both combined with "sterling engines", done at neighborhood-level and house level will provide a clean and decentralized way of power generation.. i don't see the point in pursuing fusion power.
[1] Ten things you might not know about antimatter | symmetry magazine

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Exactly, a single gram of anti matter costs 7 trillion dollars to make. So now you understand the limit of knowledge, theory and it's practical application?

To make a detectable gravitational waves, the mass has to be comparable to that of stars and black hole. And there's no other known way to increase the mass of the particle than accelerating near the speed of light. Which is again outside human ability at this moment.

jamahir said:

is einstein always right??

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No, Einstein was wrong in case of quantum entanglement. He said nothing could travel faster than light. But the state of entangled particles move faster than light, and was proved in laboratory experiment last year.

The theory now changed to, 'No meaningful information can travel at a rate faster than light.'

jamahir said:

2. could the so-called gravitational ripples simply be some kind of gas molecule electrical effect that origined in the unification of the two black holes??

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First of all, no molecules can ever escape the gravity of a blackhole. Second, black hole leaves a faint constant microwave radiation, not ripples. And charged particles cannot distort the space between two particles, sensors in this case.

And finally, and most important, the frequency of the ripples matched exactly to that of the predicted waves that was theorized decades ago by 'mathematicians'. They only confirmed it after the observed pattern matched the theoretical pattern.

First wave was detected in 2014, I remember Lawrance Krauss mentioning it, but told us to hold the excitement until they verify it with theoretical data.

Zibago said:

If i am not mistaking time travel is only possible into the future cuz

So when they collided did they like bend the fabric of time of near by galaxies?I mean like i do know that time is affected near bodies with massive gravitational forces like blackholes but did their collision create a huge area of influence temporarily?

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Look into it in this way, time is perceived to in relation to the speed of light, which is constant. Now, if the wave distorts the space between two particles, the the light will take longer/shorter time based on their apparent position. So the time appears to move faster and slower based on that.

jamahir said:

a simple set questions or points : so according to our phd'ed astronomers, the universe's elements ( galaxies, worlds, stars etc ) are flying away hither-thither from their place of creation or coalescing... flying away to somewhere, and somehow without interference and collisions... so the entire sol solar system is flying away in one piece... what about the extremeties of the universe?? where will the elements go?? will they dash against a wall?? in fact, what are the extremeties of the universe??

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There has been many conflicting theories about the origin and fate of universes. Before the experimental verification, I was supporting the cosmic inflation and deflation theory. But the recent observation of the microwave background ration blew all other theory from the part. The residual radiation from the Big Bang has been observed.

Cosmic Microwave Background: Big Bang Relic Explained (Infographic)

Now I find very little to object it.

About the fate of the universe, theories suggest it will keep on expanding and accelerating, until and unless all the molecules and atoms ripped apart and the universe achieves the final entropy state, and the temperature throughout the universe is absolute zero.

And there's lot of time left for that to occur, you could still go to college and finish your degree before that happens.

Zibago said:

Science is 90% based on such assumptions buddy

The big bang is defined as the event which resulted in the creation the universe

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Both statements are untrue.

The big bang did not result in the creation of the universe, it is not an event that caused the universe.

It refers to the rapid expansion of the universe, from the earliest stage that we can presently study. That expansion is still continuing today - galaxies are still moving away from each other very fast.

jamahir said:

with reference to the article and the vid above i have these points :

1. i don't believe in the existence of "space-time" and other such stuff... they are just human mathematical constructs that have no validity in nature... these particular people talk of "gravitational ripples" taking for granted the existence of "space-time".

2. could the so-called gravitational ripples simply be some kind of gas molecule electrical effect that origined in the unification of the two black holes??

3. is einstein always right??

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1) So are numbers. 1, 2, 3 etc are not physical objects in nature, they are a tool we use for our a lot of applications. BTW time is also a construct of the human mind, not a physical "thing".

Space-time is a word used to indicate that space and time, unlike previously thought, are not separate entities. They are part of the same continuum. The word eletromagnetism began to be used when Maxwell proved that electricity and magnetism are not separate phenomena as thought earlier, but one and the same. That's the same thing with the word "spacetime".

2) No, definitely not.

3) Of course not, nobody is. That is why we have invented the scientific method - because humans are fallible, and susceptible to error, so we wanted a process that is objective, and would give us the correct understanding, even though the people who practice it can be wrong.

If there was somebody who is always right, we wouldn't need the scientific method, we could just ask him.

ayesha.a said:

Both statements are untrue.

The big bang did not result in the creation of the universe, it is not an event that caused the universe.

It refers to the rapid expansion of the universe, from the earliest stage that we can presently study. That expansion is still continuing today - galaxies are still moving away from each other very fast.

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A friend and room mate of mine is working on the Chaotic Inflation theory of the universe, if his theories are proven, then that wouldn't be the concrete evidence of the multiverse theory.

jamahir said:

that is so, but i really don't see why we should be obsessed or worried about knowing at the moment how the universe was born or thundering with authority that some "big bang" took place 13.8 billion years ago.

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That's the same misunderstanding that the other poster displayed. The "big bang" didn't just happen 14 billion years back, it is still continuing. Galaxies are still moving away from each other, the universe is still expanding. It is an observable fact.

"Big bang" is the name given to the mathematical and cosmological modelling of that expansion, from the earliest stage to now and future. The theory deals with questions like "What were the physical conditions of the universe when everything was closer together?" and so on.

Skull and Bones said:

A friend and room mate of mine is working on the Chaotic Inflation theory of the universe, if his theories are proven, then that wouldn't be the concrete evidence of the multiverse theory.

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Big bang theory only deals with this universe, doesn't take other universes into account (if there are any).

ayesha.a said:

Big bang theory only deals with this universe, doesn't take other universes into account (if there are any).

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It deals with the expansion of the universe during the first few seconds of the explosion. The standard model accounts for the accelerating model of the expansion, but in chaotic inflation theory, the expansion of the universe was slower in the first few seconds, as the presence of other space time hindered its expansion. This is accounted by the negative gravity in the standard model.

ayesha.a said:

Both statements are untrue.

The big bang did not result in the creation of the universe, it is not an event that caused the universe.

It refers to the rapid expansion of the universe, from the earliest stage that we can presently study. That expansion is still continuing today - galaxies are still moving away from each other very fast.



1) So are numbers. 1, 2, 3 etc are not physical objects in nature, they are a tool we use for our a lot of applications. BTW time is also a construct of the human mind, not a physical "thing".

Space-time is a word used to indicate that space and time, unlike previously thought, are not separate entities. They are part of the same continuum. The word eletromagnetism began to be used when Maxwell proved that electricity and magnetism are not separate phenomena as thought earlier, but one and the same. That's the same thing with the word "spacetime".

2) No, definitely not.

3) Of course not, nobody is. That is why we have invented the scientific method - because humans are fallible, and susceptible to error, so we wanted a process that is objective, and would give us the correct understanding, even though the people who practice it can be wrong.

If there was somebody who is always right, we wouldn't need the scientific method, we could just ask him.

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I was trying to convey a message to him that nothing is final in the world of science the earth was considered flat once now we know its not we cant just ditch scientific process cuz of this

Skull and Bones said:

A friend and room mate of mine is working on the Chaotic Inflation theory of the universe, if his theories are proven, then that wouldn't be the concrete evidence of the multiverse theory.

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I still couldnt understand the concept of multiple universes properly i mean infinite no of universes with infinite possible laws of physics governing them what does that mean?Does it mean that gravity does not exist in universe B and conduction is not possible in universe C

I shouldve paid more attention to modern physics lecture

Zibago said:

I still couldnt understand the concept of multiple universes properly i mean infinite no of universes with infinite possible laws of physics governing them what does that mean?Does it mean that gravity does not exist in universe B and conduction is not possible in universe C

I shouldve paid more attention to modern physics lecture

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To be honest, I don't know much about it too. But he's the same guy who proved last year about the black hole information paradox.

@jamahir gravitational waves are your saviour! You like plump women, but lack upper body strength to really go wild with them? Well, my man, 'dem waves have the answer, employ them to your advantage! You can have a whale weighing in at two feathers, throwing it from one position to the other with effortless ease! The joy!

jamahir said:

let simple-to-understand proof come first that something called "dark energy" has been observed... let us not get excited by the talks of "expert mathematicians".

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The concept of Dark Energy is grounded in years of painstaking observations. We cannot see it through naked eyes but it is the best possible explanation for the expansion of the Universe at large yet.

FYI: HubbleSite - Hubble Discoveries - Dark Energy

Logic is simple.

Gravity always pulls things together, never pushes them apart. Some other force, a never-before-detected energy, had to be propelling the acceleration.

persona_non_grata said:

Ghuna!

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now what is ghuna??

Audio said:

@jamahir gravitational waves are your saviour! You like plump women, but lack upper body strength to really go wild with them? Well, my man, 'dem waves have the answer, employ them to your advantage! You can have a whale weighing in at two feathers, throwing it from one position to the other with effortless ease! The joy!

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similarly you can have 10 coat-hangers/stick-insects playing effortlessly with you... sticks gone wild !!

ayesha.a said:

Space-time is a word used to indicate that space and time, unlike previously thought, are not separate entities. They are part of the same continuum. The word eletromagnetism began to be used when Maxwell proved that electricity and magnetism are not separate phenomena as thought earlier, but one and the same. That's the same thing with the word "spacetime".

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i see... however, i withdraw from this thread and let the priests here do their excited cosmological rituals... om, kreem, kraam, continuum.

Levina said:

That is what has been proved...the physical presence of such waves in the universe and that these waves carry a lot of info in them.

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This discovery like the moment Galileo first turned his telescope to the heavens and discovered the Milky Way consists of myriads of stars, The Moon has mountains, and Jupiter its own satellites. It's that big.

Skull and Bones said:

Is this quote publish worthy in Nature Science journal?

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well actually there is a lot of science in Holy Quran

Skull and Bones said:

Science for dummies.

No, Einstein was wrong in case of quantum entanglement. He said nothing could travel faster than light. But the state of entangled particles move faster than light, and was proved in laboratory experiment last year.

And there's lot of time left for that to occur, you could still go to college and finish your degree before that happens.

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the experiment u r refering to was a fial and was caused by a faulty element of the experiment's fibre optic timing system. And the faster then light theory was proved wrong and Einstein right. again.

Ridiculous: A Loose Cable Caused Those 'Faster-Than-Light' Particles

jamahir said:

wow... i am getting all this hate just because i made a few simple questions... i have even given the example of the "nine planets only" to show the passing nature of the understanding of most of these phd "scientists" who are confident in the manner of priests... and their fan-boys on this thread are gobbling up the output without a single shred of doubt or question, and they call themselves of scientific reasoning.



start by starting your anti-gravity vehicle that employs "gravitational waves", take it to earth orbit where is parked your time-machine which then goes through the "time-dilated space-time continuum" and then arrive back in the earth orbit of 2025 when india has become a vedic super-power.



you too join mpk1988.

and yes, years ago i dropped out in the second year of college because i couldn't take the bullshitting anymore.

and please make sure that mpk's time machine drops you off at the time-year when bashar al-assad has lost the war and your nato masters are ruling syria.



i don't understand your behavior... you are one thing in the female-appreciation threads but are insulting to me in other threads.

@Zibago @django @MaarKhoor - please note the duplicity and crudery of nilgiri's behavior... do you think he can be a real friend??



this may be a clue[1] :


this is like the failed efforts of the iter "fusion power" project.

all this will take a rethinking... anti-matter is real unlike all this mathematical delusions called "gravity waves" and "space-time continuum".

as for clean energy, biofuel combustion and "solar power tower" both combined with "sterling engines", done at neighborhood-level and house level will provide a clean and decentralized way of power generation.. i don't see the point in pursuing fusion power.



bharat mata ki jai.



get your much-schooled indian software/computer engineers to devise a radical new operating system and microprocessor and a new way of computing... and a vtol space-plane, if you please.

and ooh, "dark energy"... ooh !!



let simple-to-understand proof come first that something called "dark energy" has been observed... let us not get excited by the talks of "expert mathematicians".


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[1] Ten things you might not know about antimatter | symmetry magazine

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No scientist will tell you he has the absolute truth, what they will tell you is, it is highly likely or what does not work, this experiment seems to have backed up earlier theoretical data, does it mean it is absolutely certain, well we can say it is highly probable.
@jamahir and @Nilgiri guys lets bury the hatchet as life is too short.kudos