Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims

flamer84 said:

Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey List | David L. Phillips

A research paper with ample evidence of Turkey-ISIS collaboration.

It really can't be denied anymore.

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Research paper....yeah, a research paper using media as evidence, source of source of unnamed sources...yeah.

Shove up your evidence where it doesn't shine.

Hakan said:

Stupid move from Turkish fans, sorry to any French that were offended. Condolences to terror victims from all countries including France that was hit badly recently. It's always sad to see people get killed. Hopefully ISHIT will be defeated soon.


Look at your own neighborhood, nobody likes you except for North Korea who kills even more people than ISHIT. If China is so good why do you support North Korea? You support a barbaric rogue state with nuclear weapons, this is a fact. We can look at official statsments, history, and geopolitics to prove this. The same can't be said with Turkey and ISHIT.

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North Koreans kill more people? What are you smoking? Even they are very cruel to their own people, which I don't approve, they don't go all over the world, blow themselves up, spread AK 47 bullets to innocent civilians, down the airplane, right? Unlike those ISIS madmen you support and recruit.

Nobody likes us? Again what are you smoking? Lots of our neighbors love us, Pakistan, our iron brothers, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Nepal, Singapore, South Koreans, Russian to a less degree. We have good relationship with almost everyone except Japan due to historical reasons, and Vietnam/Philippines which we have border disputes. Even then, they don't hate us like your neighbors do. Look at the bilateral trade between Japan and China.

You know why, because we don't meddle in other people's business, dictate others how to eat and walk unlike you sultan does, undermine your neighbors by supporting ISIS shitheads.

By the way, I don't understand your Turks motivation here, if you are focused on peace and development, don't stir up shit in all over your neighbors. Matter of fact is if your neighbors house are on fire, you house will catch it soon or later. You should learn from Chinese non interference policy and make peace with everybody and really focus on your people's development, instead of restoring so called Ottoman Empire.

lonelyman said:

North Koreans kill more people? What are you smoking? Even they are very cruel to their own people, which I don't approve, they don't go all over the world, blow themselves up, spread AK 47 bullets to innocent civilians, down the airplane, right? Unlike those ISIS madmen you support and recruit.

Nobody likes us? Again what are you smoking? Lots of our neighbors love us, Pakistan, our iron brothers, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Nepal, Singapore, South Koreans, Russian to a less degree. We have good relationship with almost everyone except Japan due to historical reasons, and Vietnam/Philippines which we have border disputes. Even then, they don't hate us like your neighbors do. Look at the bilateral trade between Japan and China.

You know why, because we don't meddle in other people's business, dictate others how to eat and walk unlike you sultan does, undermine your neighbors by supporting ISIS shitheads.

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China man, i wanna ask you a very simple question. Please, answer me honestly.

In PDF we have more than 100 members, have you seen any Turkish member expressing his/her support for ISIS ? (there is only one guy and he is inactive for months.)

Sinan said:

China man, i wanna ask you a very simple question. Please, answer me honestly.

In PDF we have more than 100 members, have you seen any Turkish member expressing his/her support for ISIS ? (there is only one guy and he is inactive for months.)

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Are you a three year old? What you say is different what do you. You can say all the sweetest words in the world, but people judge you by what you do. Actions speaks louder than words.

Now answer me an honest question, why 95% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting ISIS, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory?

lonelyman said:

Are you a three year old? What you say is different what do you. You can say all the sweetest words in the world, but people judge you by what you do. Actions speaks louder than words.

Now answer me an honest question, why 95% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting ISIS, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory?

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There are at least two borders to be crossed to enter Syria throught Turkey coming from a third country, so why always blame Turkey when even the origin countries of those terrorists cant stop them, neither from entering Syria nor entering Europe as the recent incidents showed us.

Look at the European countries exporting more jihadists than Turkey while having a lot smaller muslim population, you guys are focussed too much on Turkey out of your hate while the problem lies somewhere else.


Foreign Fighters In Iraq And Syria -- Where Do They Come From?

khail007 said:

Shah jee, we are discussing humanity not religion.

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I'm not discussing Religion either. It was a member with perhaps too simple brain who dragged me into religious discussion.
The original post was referring more to people, who claim to be followers of a religion, than Religion.

khail007 said:

Silence will make you more silent. Speak to address the root causes for such criminal acts.

Terrorism on both sides; on one hand there are terrorist on the other hand there is state owned terrorism with a support of sugar coated so called international support. The only difference, the former only the reaction of the later.

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I'm quite vocal on State and Non-State actors. Read my signature please.

lonelyman said:

why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory?

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You say that like it's a very simple thing to do.... If it was possible to completely seal of the border, there would be no cocaine in the US.

Also, there are shit ton of people joined YPG by illegally crossing the border. Are we also providing free passage to them ?

lonelyman said:

Are you a three year old? What you say is different what do you. You can say all the sweetest words in the world, but people judge you by what you do. Actions speaks louder than words.

Now answer me an honest question, why 95% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting ISIS, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory?

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Our great Sultan Erdoğan is puppet of his masters. We aren't supporting ISIS. If he send weapons to ISIS or bought oil from them certainly beacuse of US does and US wants. (Nobody have proof about this.) If US bombing, Erdoğan bombing, simple like that.
So you can' t blame our country something like that.

We can' t seal that borders. There is 3 million refugees here. A lot of them coming, or going all the time. And cities of out and inside of Turkey-Syria border are have very mixed population. We have so many Arab and Kurd citizen here but their relative families can be out of the border. They are passing the border all time, seeing eachother and coming here. You can' t control border like that.
And again reason that fighters using Turkey is our refugee politics. We are opened that border who wants help. We are arguing that politic inside of Turkey but at the same thime we are helping that people what can we do ?

1 cm out of borders is f4cking bloody Middle East. Tell me what can we do ? Even EU can't handle.

If we have solution to this problem, i am sure that day will be PKK' s last day. This is really hard, you can't understand behind your computers.

like_a_boss said:

Some reports are suggesting that through the boos and jeers the chants of ‘Allahu Akbar’ – the Islamic phrase meaning ‘God is greater’ – could be heard coming from the stands during the proposed silence.

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I did not hear it. Stop lying! And who said the Turkish fans have to respect this 1 min silence? Why don't we have a 1 min silence in every match to commemorate terrorist related deaths from ALL affected nations?. This is a cheap attempt to malign the whole Turkish nation, even by the commentators account, it was a small minority who have the right not to respect the 1 min silence. They did not break any laws. So get over yourself!

Silverblaze said:

For CIA he was, but not for the american people. OBL was considered a hero for many in largely muslim countries sadly. Have you forgotten how his funeral in absentia was performed in pakistan? and how now gen musharraf said that he was considered a hero.

The point is blaming the west while collaborating with it and blaming the west while keeping a blind eye towards growing internal extremism will change nothing.

muslim countries work against each other and seek help from the west, do little about internal extremism and even deny its existence. Iran vs KSA is a classic case.

Its becoming difficult to defend islam for many of us muslims as there is little realization in the islamic world to introspect.

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Here is the Answer for all of your doubts and your personal opinions, I looked everywhere and finally I have this; read it thoroughly and you will understand that how cool Osama Bin Laden was for US and for its Citizens.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUlYPR9XIAAI4Hq.jpg:large

As expected, turks have no respect for human life.

Turkish fans throwing water bottles at Israeli female basketball team playing in Turkey.



The Turks have turned into a monster.

simple Brain said:

Here is the Answer for all of your doubts and your personal opinions, I looked everywhere and finally I have this; read it thoroughly and you will understand that how cool Osama Bin Laden was for US and for its Citizens.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUlYPR9XIAAI4Hq.jpg:large

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What a childish view is this? What to prove with this? Afghan Jihad was a CIA project, who denies this? Read Zbigniew bresinksi arrogant interview.

Point is, Was Osama bin ladens funeral in absentia offered in washington or London? Was he considered a tiger of islam in US or muslim countries? Blaming the west will not solve the problem entirely. Why isn't obama popular in pakistan as he was and is in US?
Why isn't trump popular in pakistan now? He is very popular in US.

Muslims are basically leaderless and anyone who apparently fights for islam, no matter who sponsors him/her, becomes popular amongst muslims. That is the biggest problem.

Musharraf says terror leaders were heroes in Pakistan

Silverblaze said:

What a childish view is this? What to prove with this? Afghan Jihad was a CIA project, who denies this? Read Zbigniew bresinksi arrogant interview.

Point is, Was Osama bin ladens funeral in absentia offered in washington or London? Was he considered a tiger of islam in US or muslim countries? Blaming the west will not solve the problem entirely. Why isn't obama popular in pakistan as he was and is in US?
Why isn't trump popular in pakistan now? He is very popular in US.

Muslims are basically leaderless and anyone who apparently fights for islam, no matter who sponsors him/her, becomes popular amongst muslims. That is the biggest problem.

Musharraf says terror leaders were heroes in Pakistan

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I have seen People shouting loud on silly arguments, but I have never seen a person who is totally ignorant about how things work in real world. If you deny the fact, than say it openly, why are you comparing West with Pakistan anyway? What Musharraf said forget about it, he said millions of things and created millions of problems for us, if you think he speaks a Holly words than why don't you embrace him as your God? Every time when you reply me you mention Musharraf to me, you never answer me with facts. How intelligence world works do I have to explain that to you as well? If CIA created Osama for whatever the purpose was, how could they publicize it to the entire world that yes he is our man? I still think he was a traitor and he was sent to Afghanistan just to double cross Afghan Taliban. But lets not get into that detail mate.

If you cant digest the fact that the Westerns are indeed the real cause of destruction in Muslim world than I cant blame you either for it, as you live in Canada and without a doubt you will have to show some sincerity to that Country.
But let me explain you this way. Why did I shared that piece of newspaper with you? Let me ask you a question, what was the first source of News back in 80's and 90's, when their was no internet? A newspaper. If you deny it than stop here and don't read it further, and I will declare you the champ of the Intelligence world. If you agree, than read the rest of it.
If a person is being praised in a Newspaper, than what does that indicates? That he has done something really important that could benefit a Nation or a Continent or few Individuals? That news in that British Newspaper is the proof that Osama was a Hero for the Western world for what he did back in 80's and 90's. Otherwise no newspaper praises a certain individual without a certain cause. Have you ever seen any Pakistani Newspaper praising Obama and declaring a Hero? Even show me one news from Canada News resources that declares Obama a Hero of the 21st Century. I will certainly share some more information that will answer all the questions that are popping out in your mind. And off course the important one is that what US Citizens used to thought about Osama back in 80's and in early 90's. Don't worry I wont leave you hanging in the middle, stay tuned mate.

simple Brain said:

I have seen People shouting loud on silly arguments, but I have never seen a person who is totally ignorant about how things work in real world. If you deny the fact, than say it openly, why are you comparing West with Pakistan anyway? What Musharraf said forget about it, he said millions of things and created millions of problems for us, if you think he speaks a Holly words than why don't you embrace him as your God? Every time when you reply me you mention Musharraf to me, you never answer me with facts. How intelligence world works do I have to explain that to you as well? If CIA created Osama for whatever the purpose was, how could they publicize it to the entire world that yes he is our man? I still think he was a traitor and he was sent to Afghanistan just to double cross Afghan Taliban. But lets not get into that detail mate.

If you cant digest the fact that the Westerns are indeed the real cause of destruction in Muslim world than I cant blame you either for it, as you live in Canada and without a doubt you will have to show some sincerity to that Country.
But let me explain you this way. Why did I shared that piece of newspaper with you? Let me ask you a question, what was the first source of News back in 80's and 90's, when their was no internet? A newspaper. If you deny it than stop here and don't read it further, and I will declare you the champ of the Intelligence world. If you agree, than read the rest of it.
If a person is being praised in a Newspaper, than what does that indicates? That he has done something really important that could benefit a Nation or a Continent or few Individuals? That news in that British Newspaper is the proof that Osama was a Hero for the Western world for what he did back in 80's and 90's. Otherwise no newspaper praises a certain individual without a certain cause. Have you ever seen any Pakistani Newspaper praising Obama and declaring a Hero? Even show me one news from Canada News resources that declares Obama a Hero of the 21st Century. I will certainly share some more information that will answer all the questions that are popping out in your mind. And off course the important one is that what US Citizens used to thought about Osama back in 80's and in early 90's. Don't worry I wont leave you hanging in the middle, stay tuned mate.

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What are you talking about? Everything bad is caused by the west, all civil wars from the Rida wars, the overthrow of the Umyyads, and the Abbasids were also caused by the west. Happy? You refused to answer my question, WHY THE MUSLIM GOVTS SIDE WITH THE WEST OPENLY? WHY DO OSAMA, AND OTHER CHARACTERS GET APPRECIATION IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES? WHY?

Answer these questions please. Why avoid them?

And to say that I side with Canada, is a shameful argument. I respect this country, but I blame this country for bombing Libya under NATO and many do.

I have always quoted facts, you dont accept it. And to call musharraf my god, is blasphemy and an insult.

I know much more than you and many others what CIA did in south america, Eastern Europe, South east asia, but blaming the west is now a fashion to hide incompetence.

You precious Afghan mujahideen were also funded by the CIA as it was a CIA project, but why did Pakistan side with them? Pakistan justifies it by saying its their interests. Turkey is also siding with US, against a fellow muslim nation Syria? Why?

Osama, Zahwiri, or whatever, will be worth nothing if muslim countries do not accept them as heroes.

Facts for you, Pakistan - non NATO ally, big receiver of foreign aid, Turkey - NATO ally, All gulf countries have US military bases, so does morrocco. Indonesia and malaysia closely allied with US. Facts.

Blame the west, but to say that we have done nothing wrong is highly unfair.

See this video and this is the point I try to make. Please dont quote me, if you have no answer to my questions. We agree to disagree.