Indonesia executes drug convicts, sparks anger from Australia, Brazil

ahojunk said:

jhungary is living in a "different" Australia. I disagree with him.

As an Aussie living in Melbourne, I can confirm that this is indeed big news here.

Many people held vigils last night for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

Most of my office colleagues were p*ssed off by the action of the Indonesian government.

Yes, these two young men committed a crime, i.e smuggling drugs. We don't have a problem with them being punished, in fact they should be punished. But we don't think that they deserved to die.

In the past ten years, they have rehabilitated themselves. They were doing good things in the Bali jails. One became a minister helping others and the other became a painter. They taught English language and life skills to fellow Indonesian prisoners. All news point to them doing good community services in the jails.

So why kill them? Letting them live is of more benefit to Indonesia.

An Australian travel agency has cancelled all Indonesian tours at the loss of about 15% of its revenue.
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jhungary said:

lol, you lot don't really know what's going on.

The Australia are NOT DISPLEASED to see Indonesian Government execute their Citizens. A Sky news Program aired this morning around the same time of execution have cover issue.

The Australian is crying foul on the information exchange leads to the execution.

People need to know, the arrest of Bali Nine by the Indonesian Police were instructed by the AFP (Australian Federal police) after the Australian pass out information about the Bali Activities, where the AFP could have wait until the Bali 9 to board the plane and fly to Australia and net them there, Indonesia do not know nor understand the operational detail of Bali 9 before the arrest and the information sharing.

Now, what pissing Australian off is that the way AFP handle this incident, why they have to notify the Indonesian Authority and arrest the 9 and risk them facing death penalty but not wait until they came back to Australia?? While this is an EXPORT operation by the bali 9, it have miminal interest to Indonesian Government

One possible scenario (As no one actually knows) is that Indonesian Authority promise not to pursued Death Sentence to the arrestee and the Ringleader (Chan and Sukumaran) would be indicted back to Australia so they can go after the head of the organisation, this is not to be and by executing the ring leader, our FM think the Indonesian back track their promise and this is not how diplomacy is played.

Do notice that we have Australian on death row in China, Singapore, Malaysia and in South America, we are not protesting those??

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Djinn said:

Executing people for possessing or smuggling drugs, never really made any sense to me. Do these countries also execute people for possessing weapons? Because if comparisons are to be drawn, guns take lives in the blink of an eye, so whats really the "rationale" behind such strict attitude towards narcotics?

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truthseeker2010 said:

so the issue here is that indonesian authorities did not follow the afp orders, that was to hand them back so they could be tried in Aus?

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pr1v4t33r said:

Why sould indonesian authorities follow AFP orders?

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truthseeker2010 said:

so the issue here is that indonesian authorities did not follow the afp orders, that was to hand them back so they could be tried in Aus?

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jhungary said:

Well, that's actually an guess work, it's all circumstantial.

But as I said, I was watching Sky news yesterday right about the time they are executing the Bali Duo, an "intelligence expert" come to the news room and talk about the AFP and the connection with Bali 9

The expert said, one scenario involved the AFP have an active information agreement with the Indonesian authority, most likely for asylum seeker issue and the information of the Bali 9 was exchanged because of this.

The fact to the matter is, the Bali 9 Operation is an export operation FROM Indonesia and the Indonesian authority have not idea the Bali 9 and their operation prior to the Information exchanged. And since this is an export (Drug going out of Indonesia) Indonesia would have minimal interest in case like that. Now these are all facts.

So, what that expert said, a possible scenario is, AFP should have some kind of agreement with the Indonesian authority to not pursuit the death penalty and maybe even an extradition agreement with them so they can be coming back and point the finger to the head of operation.

Simply because it's quite stupid for AFP to allow this to happen in Indonesia and resulting them to be executed, a dead man won't talk, Not to mention it put Australian at risk. So it's quite logical for AFP to negotiate some sort of deal with Indonesia before handing those intel.

Now, it could be either this, or the AFP is some kind of moronic agency who don't think before handing out intel and don't really care about getting the head of operation. Or the Indonesian indeed have an agreement with AFP and back tracked it. Cause now those two people were dead, the AFP would not have anything to go on and find the head honcho in this case.

So...many people feel that AFP drop the ball in this case. I would not say this is an AFP order, they have no authority to order the Indonesian Authority, I think, If this indeed what happened, it would have been a so called "Gentlemen Agreement"

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Viet said:

anyone knows how many indonesians are on death row in overseas?

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pr1v4t33r said:

Whatever intelligence cooperation that taken place at that time between AFP and Indonesian authority, will not change the result. You come to our airport with 18lb heroin bags strapped on your body, then you're done.

Do you think we can't detect these heroin packege by ourselves? How about other case of heroin, cocaine, and drug arrest that taken place all over Indonesian airport? Is this also the result of AFP intellegence work?

I don't think so.

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frequency said:

Apparently not enough. When you see an Indonesian heading home to Indonesia, just slip some drugs in his/her carry-ons then watch the news the next day to confirm their dead bodies. In fact, I should write an instruction on how to kill an Indonesian, quick and easy way.

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Djinn said:

Executing people for possessing or smuggling drugs, never really made any sense to me. Do these countries also execute people for possessing weapons? Because if comparisons are to be drawn, guns take lives in the blink of an eye, so whats really the "rationale" behind such strict attitude towards narcotics?

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