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Article 370 : A debate

Should Article 370 be scrapped

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 89.5%
  • No

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Total voters
    38
There is no doubt that Article 370 need to be scrapped. The only question we need to discuss here is when it should be scrapped.I think we need to give at-least 6 years to Modi government to complete the pre-requisite objectives for implementing Article 370 which are mainly 2 fold
1.Eliminating Pak-sponsored terrorism once & for all.
2.Rapid integration of J&K into mainstream India-
by focusing on Infrastructure, job creation for Kashmiri youth in metros , Educational exchange, helping Pundits to return, increasing Hindu population in Jammu.
 
i am not much knowledgeable about it so i cannot say anything, if someone can enlighten me briefly about article 370 then maybe i can say something?
 
It should be removed but first the BJP government needs to put in 5 years of serious investment and development into this state, show the people of Kashmir they are much better off in the mainstream than as they are. The removal of 370 will allow massive investment in Kashmir from the rest of India and in 5 years time most Kashmiris will be begging for it to be removed themselves.

The only way this Kashmir issue will be resolved (in Kashmir, forget about Pakistan) is through economically developing this state.
 
i am not much knowledgeable about it so i cannot say anything, if someone can enlighten me briefly about article 370 then maybe i can say something?
What is Article 370?

Article 370 of the Indian Constitution is a temporary provision which grants special autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir.

Under Part XXI of the Constitution of India, which deals with "Temporary, Transitional and Special provisions", the state of Jammu and Kashmir has been accorded special status under Article 370.

All the provisions of the Constitution which are applicable to other states are not applicable to J&K. For example, till 1965, J&K had a Sadr-e-Riyasat for governor and Prime Minister in place of chief minister.

On 6 October 1947, Muslim tribes, supported by the government of Pakistan; attacked Jammu and Kashmir. To save his state Maharaja Hari Singh (the then ruler of J&K) chose to accede Jammu & Kashmir to India, so that India could help in defending her.

It was in the pursuance of those commitments that Article 370 was incorporated in the Constitution.

The Constitution of J&K was enacted by a separate Constituent Assembly set up by the State and it came into force on 26 January 1957.


Union Legislature has very limited jurisdiction in case of J&K as compared to other states. Till 1963, Parliament could legislate on subjects contained in the Union List, and had no jurisdiction in case of Concurrent List under 7th Schedrest with J&K. The Parliament has no power to legislate Preventive Detention laws for the state; only the state legislature has the power to do so.

The Union of India has no power to declare Financial Emergency under Article 360 in the state. The Union can declare emergency in the state only in case of War or External Aggression. No proclamation of emergency made on the grounds of internal disturbance or imminent danger thereof shall have effect in relation to the state unless (a) it is made at the request or with the concurrence of the government of the state; or (b) where it has not been so made, it is applied subsequently by the President to that state at the request or with the concurrence of the government of that state. In December 1964, Articles 356 and 357 were extended to the state.

Part IV (Directive Principles of the State Policy) and Part IVA (Fundamental Duties) of the Constitution are not applicable to J&K. In addition to other fundamental rights, Articles 19(1)(f) and 31(2) of the Constitution are still applicable to J&K; hence the Fundamental Right to property is still guaranteed in this state.It is the only state which does not have to give a detailed record on the money flowing in the state and where is it used and how. In the Indian Constitutional history only one Fundamental Right has been added so far and that is Right to Education. this right too is not extending to J&K.

This article specifies that except for Defence, Foreign Affairs, Finance and Communications,(matters specified in the instrument of accession) the Indian Parliament needs the State Government's concurrence for applying all other laws. Thus the state's residents lived under a separate set of laws, including those related to citizenship, ownership of property, and fundamental rights, as compared to other Indians.

Similar protections for unique status exist in tribal areas of India including those in Himachal Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, and Nagaland. The Government of India vide 1974 Indira-Sheikh accord committed itself to keeping the relationship between the Union and Jammu and Kashmir State within the ambit of this article .

The 1974 Indira-Sheikh accord mentions that " The State of Jammu and Kashmir which is a constituent unit of the Union of India, shall, in its relation with the Union, continue to be governed by Article 370 of the Constitution of India " .

Indian citizens from other states can not purchase land or property in Jammu & Kashmir.

Under Article 370(3), consent of state legislature and the constituent assembly of the state are also required to amend Article 370. Now the question arises, how can we amend Article 370 when the Constituent Assembly of the state no longer exists? Or whether it can be amended at all? Some jurists say it can be amended by an amendment Act under Article 368 of the Constitution and the amendment extended under Article 370(1).
 
What is Article 370?

Article 370 of the Indian Constitution is a temporary provision which grants special autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir.

Under Part XXI of the Constitution of India, which deals with "Temporary, Transitional and Special provisions", the state of Jammu and Kashmir has been accorded special status under Article 370.

All the provisions of the Constitution which are applicable to other states are not applicable to J&K. For example, till 1965, J&K had a Sadr-e-Riyasat for governor and Prime Minister in place of chief minister.

On 6 October 1947, Muslim tribes, supported by the government of Pakistan; attacked Jammu and Kashmir. To save his state Maharaja Hari Singh (the then ruler of J&K) chose to accede Jammu & Kashmir to India, so that India could help in defending her.

It was in the pursuance of those commitments that Article 370 was incorporated in the Constitution.

The Constitution of J&K was enacted by a separate Constituent Assembly set up by the State and it came into force on 26 January 1957.


Union Legislature has very limited jurisdiction in case of J&K as compared to other states. Till 1963, Parliament could legislate on subjects contained in the Union List, and had no jurisdiction in case of Concurrent List under 7th Schedrest with J&K. The Parliament has no power to legislate Preventive Detention laws for the state; only the state legislature has the power to do so.

The Union of India has no power to declare Financial Emergency under Article 360 in the state. The Union can declare emergency in the state only in case of War or External Aggression. No proclamation of emergency made on the grounds of internal disturbance or imminent danger thereof shall have effect in relation to the state unless (a) it is made at the request or with the concurrence of the government of the state; or (b) where it has not been so made, it is applied subsequently by the President to that state at the request or with the concurrence of the government of that state. In December 1964, Articles 356 and 357 were extended to the state.

Part IV (Directive Principles of the State Policy) and Part IVA (Fundamental Duties) of the Constitution are not applicable to J&K. In addition to other fundamental rights, Articles 19(1)(f) and 31(2) of the Constitution are still applicable to J&K; hence the Fundamental Right to property is still guaranteed in this state.It is the only state which does not have to give a detailed record on the money flowing in the state and where is it used and how. In the Indian Constitutional history only one Fundamental Right has been added so far and that is Right to Education. this right too is not extending to J&K.

This article specifies that except for Defence, Foreign Affairs, Finance and Communications,(matters specified in the instrument of accession) the Indian Parliament needs the State Government's concurrence for applying all other laws. Thus the state's residents lived under a separate set of laws, including those related to citizenship, ownership of property, and fundamental rights, as compared to other Indians.

Similar protections for unique status exist in tribal areas of India including those in Himachal Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, and Nagaland. The Government of India vide 1974 Indira-Sheikh accord committed itself to keeping the relationship between the Union and Jammu and Kashmir State within the ambit of this article .

The 1974 Indira-Sheikh accord mentions that " The State of Jammu and Kashmir which is a constituent unit of the Union of India, shall, in its relation with the Union, continue to be governed by Article 370 of the Constitution of India " .

Indian citizens from other states can not purchase land or property in Jammu & Kashmir.

Under Article 370(3), consent of state legislature and the constituent assembly of the state are also required to amend Article 370. Now the question arises, how can we amend Article 370 when the Constituent Assembly of the state no longer exists? Or whether it can be amended at all? Some jurists say it can be amended by an amendment Act under Article 368 of the Constitution and the amendment extended under Article 370(1).
so in short you cant make laws about Kashmir and cant declare emergency? and it is more of a federation aside from communications and currency?
 
Similar protections like unique status exist in tribal areas of India including those in Himachal Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, and Nagaland not only jammu and Kasmir.

India's federalism is a-symmetrical. Some states are more favourably treated than others. This is self evident from provisions in Article 370 (JK), 371A (Nagaland), 371B (Assam), 371C (Manipur) 371D,E and J (AP), 371F (Sikkim), 371G (Mizoram), 371I(Goa).

so in short you cant make laws about Kashmir and cant declare emergency? and it is more of a federation aside from communications and currency?
The special status to Jammu & Kashmir Unlike other State legislative Assemblies, J&K legislature has a six-year term. Jammu & Kashmir has two flags; a separate State flag along with the National Flag. Insulting of national symbols is not cognizable offence in Jammu & Kashmir. Most of the laws except defence, foreign affairs, finance and communication, passed by Indian Parliament need to be approved by the State Government before they are made applicable in the State. The citizens of J&K are governed by State-specific laws which come under the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir, instead of those for the rest of India. Under Article 370 the Indian Parliament cannot increase or reduce the borders of the State. The Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in the State of Jammu & Kashmir. The residents of J&K enjoy dual citizenship, but they could loose the J&K citizenship if they marry residents of other States. If a woman marries a man in other Indian States, she loses her citizenship. Whereas if any woman marries a Pakistani, she will be entitled to have a citizenship of Jammu & Kashmir. The Article also gives Pakistan's citizens entitlement to Indian citizenship, if he marries a Kashmiri girl. Majority of Indian laws including RTE, RTI and agencies like CBI, CAG are not applicable in J&K. No outsider can purchase land in the State. The Centre has no power to declare financial emergency under Article 360 in the State. It can declare emergency in the state only in case of war or external aggression. History of Article 370 Dr BR Ambedkar, who drafted Indian Constitution, had refused to draft Article 370. In 1949, the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had directed Kashmiri leader Sheikh Abdullah to consult Ambedkar in preparation of suitable draft. Article 370 was then drafted by Gopalaswami Ayyangar, former Diwan to Maharajah Hari Singh of Jammu and Kashmir.
 
This thread is created to debate the pro's and con's of the Article 370. I got an idea for this thread with my debate with @The_Showstopper in another thread. I want people to put forward their views for and against the Article

My views are that it is not required and it should be scrapped immediately. The reasons are as follows

1 India considers Kashmir as an integral part of the country. If that is so why the need of this article to ascertain the same

2 The Kashmir region will be able to get the benefits of all the policies of the govt of India. At present none of the policies like RTI, RTE NAREGA, etc are automatically applicable for Kashmir just because of this article. Special provisions have to be made to make the policies applicable

3 The removal of Article 370 will lead to greater development of the region. The investments will be able to flow smmothly in the region and people will setup business there. This will increase the economic prosperity of the region

4 The removal of this article and the subsequent economic development will also lead to reduction in the militancy. Why will a person pick up a gun when he has the option of getting a good job and earning his livelihood. All this will lead to peace and prosperity in the region

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I request everyone to have civil debate and no trolling. Want to hear all sides of the story
It should be scrapped

From the last elections,it is clear that Kashmiris want development like the rest of India

Revoking the article will ensure that people invest in Kashmir
it will ensure that daughter get the right to inherit their parents property
it will be more developed,more educated which will result in less violence
I see no reason for not revoking the article
It will not affect their culture either
India is already a diversified country
hundreds of culture and thousands of language exist here,I don't buy this crap
 
Similar protections like unique status exist in tribal areas of India including those in Himachal Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, and Nagaland not only jammu and Kasmir.

India's federalism is a-symmetrical. Some states are more favourably treated than others. This is self evident from provisions in Article 370 (JK), 371A (Nagaland), 371B (Assam), 371C (Manipur) 371D,E and J (AP), 371F (Sikkim), 371G (Mizoram), 371I(Goa).


The special status to Jammu & Kashmir Unlike other State legislative Assemblies, J&K legislature has a six-year term. Jammu & Kashmir has two flags; a separate State flag along with the National Flag. Insulting of national symbols is not cognizable offence in Jammu & Kashmir. Most of the laws except defence, foreign affairs, finance and communication, passed by Indian Parliament need to be approved by the State Government before they are made applicable in the State. The citizens of J&K are governed by State-specific laws which come under the Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir, instead of those for the rest of India. Under Article 370 the Indian Parliament cannot increase or reduce the borders of the State. The Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in the State of Jammu & Kashmir. The residents of J&K enjoy dual citizenship, but they could loose the J&K citizenship if they marry residents of other States. If a woman marries a man in other Indian States, she loses her citizenship. Whereas if any woman marries a Pakistani, she will be entitled to have a citizenship of Jammu & Kashmir. The Article also gives Pakistan's citizens entitlement to Indian citizenship, if he marries a Kashmiri girl. Majority of Indian laws including RTE, RTI and agencies like CBI, CAG are not applicable in J&K. No outsider can purchase land in the State. The Centre has no power to declare financial emergency under Article 360 in the State. It can declare emergency in the state only in case of war or external aggression. History of Article 370 Dr BR Ambedkar, who drafted Indian Constitution, had refused to draft Article 370. In 1949, the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had directed Kashmiri leader Sheikh Abdullah to consult Ambedkar in preparation of suitable draft. Article 370 was then drafted by Gopalaswami Ayyangar, former Diwan to Maharajah Hari Singh of Jammu and Kashmir.
hmm so its pretty much like AJK?
 
Article 370 need to go step by step ..Remove it from laddak and jammu ..There will be development as well as new influx of people ..Situation will change for better ..If you know how democracy works it will open a lot of options ...
Perfecto!!!

Article 370 should be scrapped step by step...the kashmiris should see the progress and development such a step would bring in Ladakh and Jammu. Soon for their own good kashmiris would demand scrapping of 370.The autonomous status has not done any good to the state.
At this point I would like to add that article 370 is not intact in its original form.A series of Presidential Orders has eroded Article 370. A series of Presidential Orders back in1950s have made most Union laws applicable to the State. In fact today the autonomy enjoyed by the State is a shadow of its former self and there is virtually no institution of the Republic of India that does not include J&K within its scope and jurisdiction.
 
True, if kashmiris decide to become Indians then we will not care. And by that i mean real kashmiris and not Nepalis who pose as Kashmiris on this forum.

Whether you care or don't care, we don't care. BJP getting the highest vote in Kashmir should have made things clearer for you.
 
so in short you cant make laws about Kashmir and cant declare emergency? and it is more of a federation aside from communications and currency?
No wrong ...we kept it like that expecting u to withdraw your army from your part of gilgit,balistan,kashmir for plebscite ,but you never withdrew your troops
Gave a part to china
Changed demography of gilgit baltistan and kashmir
Using proxies(terrorists) attacked kashmiri pandiths
But all these time our part of j&K is still kept isolated through article 370
But now after all these developments there is no relevance for article 370 ..so we gonna scrap it..
 

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