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News of C28A for Algerian Navy: Real-time updates

Wasteland said:
I can't believe why are they going for Chinese crap weapons ?! they contracted for one of the best ships German "MEKO 200" and Russian "Tigr" corvette , instead of choosing a French corvette/frigate they go for unreliable Chinese weapons?! is it because of the price? numbers above quality thing?

@aliaselin
The weaponry you mentioned is for the Pakistani F-22P frigate not the Algerian C-28A !
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Looks like you do not have much knowledge of Chinese weaponry. Chinese weapon is getting better and no more of the bad quality you have know in the 80s.

Even countries like Saudi, Qatar and UAE who are loaded with cash buys Chinese weaponry. Do they look short of fund that they need to buy lower price , lower quality weaponry? China has come a long way to produce quality weapon. A country that produces world fastest super computer to having the fastest HSR. China is no more backward country that you used to know.

Take a look at YouTube and search for FN-6 and see how the crap Chinese weapon bring down the Iraq/Syria helo and fixed wing aircraft.

I strongly believe this will not be last weapon Algeria bought from China. PLZ-45 SPH is another weapon Algeria bought from China. I hope they will go for VT-4 , FD-2000 and L-15 advanced trainer.
 
Wasteland said:
Still, China suck.

You little, these weapons are on the Pakistani/Chinese made frigate not the export standard.




Any dumbass can make short range MANPAD's , let's take a look at the HQ-9 maybe? did China ever make something advanced by their own brains? or just copy-paste? they can't even make a reliable copy-paste !

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I think you shall step out of your comfort room and take a look at the real world. Using one failure out of hunred of success to illustrate your point doesn't make you a genius. Is HQ-9 same as our S-300, if so turkey would have choose the S-300 instead of an inferior copy HQ-9 as the winner.

And sorry to tell you, most of Chinese work is not copy but so called modication which improves on existing model with better or superior component. And Chinese can also come up with many new naval products like FA 022 , type 054A frigate and Type 052C/C destroyer plus 071 LDP

End of the day, you can continue your useless rant. Those Algeria are no dumb to pick an inferior product to smack their own foot. They do can see the merit which you arrogant noob can't.

China will continue to progress and advance with or without you insignificant opinion.
 
messomorto said:
6 torpedoes!! is it an anti submarine corvette?
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6 torpedo tubes, many more torpedoes.

Wasteland said:

@aliaselin
The weaponry you mentioned is for the Pakistani F-22P frigate not the Algerian C-28A !
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Janes sez:
Details and a near-definitive model of the C28A first emerged during the DSA show. According to CSTC officials, the ship is about 120 m in length, with a beam of 14.4 m, a draft of 3.87 m, a standard displacement of about 2,880 tons, and a full-load displacement of more than 3,000 tons. According to a 30 May 2014 press release from CSSC, it was designed by the 708 Institute, which is also known as the Marine Design and Research Institute of China (MARIC).
Chinese sources suggest it is an evolution of Pakistan's F-22P on the basis that Algerian naval teams visited Pakistan to see that frigate's operations first-hand. The C28A also appears to borrow design elements from the Type 054A frigate of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.

The C-28A's combat system is largely Chinese with the exception of the Thales Smart-S Mk 2, associated multifunction operator consoles (MOC)/Tacticos cluster, Link Y datalinks, and associated consoles. Four or so MOC for the Smart-S are integrated with a CSTC-supplied combat management system (CMS).

Weapons include a single 76 mm gun - the export variant of which is known as NG-16-1 - two quad launchers for C-802 or C-802A anti-ship missiles mounted transversely amidships, an octuple FM-90N launcher for short-range HQ-7 surface-to-air missiles, two 30 mm Type 730B close-in weapons systems (CIWS) similar to the ones on the F-22P, two triple-tube torpedo launchers that fire through an opening in the hull, and four 24-barreled decoy launchers.

As well as the Smart-S Mk 2, sensors include two navigation radars - an I-band (X-band) set and an E/F-band (S-band) set - that are thought to be Kelvin Hughes SharpEye radars. The C28A also has a radome for what is likely to be a Type 364 radar, two fire control radars (FCR) from the Type 47 family, and what looks like a Type 343G FCR with a combined radar and electro-optic system that is identical to the sets mounted on the F-22P. The electronic warfare (EW) suite appears to be similar to the F-22P's. Speculation that its sonar will be of Chinese origin has yet to be confirmed.

The propulsion system consists of four MTU diesels. In a departure from existing designs, there is no funnel stack. Instead, the diesels exhaust near the waterline as they do on MEKO-type frigates to minimise infrared signatures. Top speed is expected to be around 30 kts. The hull has two sets of fin stabilisers as well as bilge keels.
The ship has hangars for boats and a helicopter. The latter will presumably be able to accommodate one of the AgustaWestland AW-159 Wildcat helicopters in service with the Algerian Navy.
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First Algerian C28A corvette launched in China - IHS Jane's 360
See also Chinese Shipyard CSSC launched the first Algerian Navy C28A Corvette


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Beast said:
I think you shall step out of your comfort room and take a look at the real world. Using one failure out of hunred of success to illustrate your point doesn't make you a genius. Is HQ-9 same as our S-300, if so turkey would have choose the S-300 instead of an inferior copy HQ-9 as the winner.

And sorry to tell you, most of Chinese work is not copy but so called modication which improves on existing model with better or superior component. And Chinese can also come up with many new naval products like FA 022 , type 054A frigate and Type 052C/C destroyer plus 071 LDP

End of the day, you can continue your useless rant. Those Algeria are no dumb to pick an inferior product to smack their own foot. They do can see the merit which you arrogant noob can't.

China will continue to progress and advance with or without you insignificant opinion.
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He is just a Sicilian troll & loser; nothing to worry about. He is trolling, and talking sh!t about Algeria, China, and other similar countries.

C28A is a great corvette, and it's there to counter Moroccoan's three (3) Sigma-class corvettes with three C28A. The number might double to six (6) eventually, but for now, China is buildning three (3) C28A for Algeria.

There there are two (2) MEKO's from Germany and another two (2) Improved Kilo's from Russia on order, in addition to those four (4) existing Improved Kilo's. Which should be way more than plenty enough to counter newly introduced "FREMM" frigate in the Moroccan Navy.
 
Wasteland said:
I can't believe why are they going for Chinese crap weapons ?! they contracted for one of the best ships German "MEKO 200" and Russian "Tigr" corvette , instead of choosing a French corvette/frigate they go for unreliable Chinese weapons?! is it because of the price? numbers above quality thing?

@aliaselin
The weaponry you mentioned is for the Pakistani F-22P frigate not the Algerian C-28A !
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I'm sure the Chinese C-802 missile on the Algerian corvette is way better than your shitty Italian Otomat missile LOL
 
Name
• OTOMAT MK2 BLOCK IV
Missile characteristics
•Weight: 770 kg
• Length: 4.46 m
• Diameter: 0.40 m
Cruise Speed

• High subsonic
Effective Range

• In excess of 180 km
Payload

• 210 kg warhead; semi-piercing/HE explosive type
Fuzing

• Impact fuze
• Proximity fuze
Reaction time

• Less than 1 minute
Flight profile

• Sea skimming
SSKP

• >0.9
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http://www.mbda-systems.com/mediagallery/files/otomat_mk2_ds.pdf

Developed from the C-802 Anti-ship missile, the upgraded C802A missile is a subsonic, low-altitide sea-skimmer, featuring way point planning, on-off-on radar operation and multiple target selection. It can be used against maritime and fixed ground targets.

C-802A specifications
Guidance: active radar seeker
Range: 180km
Warhead: 190kg
Weight: 600kg (air launched) / 802kg (ship / vehicle launched)
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Defense Updates: C-802A and CM-802AKG Subsonic Missiles

There is nothing shitty about Otomat....


PRC2025 said:
Which should be way more than plenty enough to counter newly introduced "FREMM" frigate in the Moroccan Navy.
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Question: are the Algerian and Moroccan navies being rejuvenated/expanded with a view to other North African navies, or are there other reasons/factors at play?
 
Penguin said:
Question: are the Algerian and Moroccan navies being rejuvenated/expanded with a view to other North African navies, or are there other reasons/factors at play?
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There are no other North African navies, except Egypt, and Egyptian Navy is clearly geared towards "fighting off" Israeli Navy - and Israeli Navy is superior to the Egyptian Navy, so I don't think Morocco and Algeria are thinking of any "North African" threat.

Algeria is one of the few North African&Middle Eastern countries (besides Israel) that's clearly going in for expanding its naval power.

Besides Kalaat Beni-Abbes LPD, there are 4 Improved Kilos with additional 2 on order. Then there are 2 MEKOs from Germany, and at least 3 C28A from China.

There was also reports about 2 Russian Tigr-class corvettes being on order, but I am not sure what has happened to this "order", as I haven't seen any updates on that for a while.

So Algeria wants to have an edge over Morocco, in both naval and air power, which I think Algeria has - especially with having S-300PMU2 SAMs, and rumors about S-400 SAMs being offered as well, which Algeria is interested in. That would double the air over for Algerian Su-30MKA and any new additional fighters in the near future as well.

Algeria clearly have to watch its "back", or should we say "face" - if we are looking at the Algerian navy expanding, and the fact that most of the important infrastructure is located along the coast. Therefore navy, air power and strategic long-range SAMs are very important.

You never know when NATO suddently can "decide to demoCRAZY" Algeria as well, as they did with Iraq & Libya, while trying to do the same to Syria through proxies.

So it's extremely important for Algeria, not only to have an edge over Morocco, but also to have enough defence to make it at least bloody for any attacking force who wants to demoCRAZY and bring the country into Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian, Somalian, South Sudanese, Mali and Yemeni level.
 
PRC2025 said:
He is just a Sicilian troll & loser; nothing to worry about. He is trolling, and talking sh!t about Algeria, China, and other similar countries.
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He is not a Sicilian, he is a creation of El Hassani or Blackeagle, and there is another one who pass himself as a Syrian, trolling the Syrian thread, that moderator with an IQ of a cactus failed to kick out..
If the Sauds or Egyptians have ordered the same craft, believe me they will have been herald as the best technology that money can buy..

C28A is a great corvette, and it's there to counter Moroccoan's three (3) Sigma-class corvettes with three C28A. The number might double to six (6) eventually, but for now, China is buildning three (3) C28A for Algeria.
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Algeria doesn't need the C28A to counter the Moroccans Sigma, she has nanouchkas for that..beside the Sigma's are docked due to the lack of spares that Morocco can't afford, idem with their Fremm.
Algeria's choice of Chinese craft was well thought of and the command of 6 units attests to fiability of the Chinese products.

There there are two (2) MEKO's from Germany and another two (2) Improved Kilo's from Russia on order, in addition to those four (4) existing Improved Kilo's. Which should be way more than plenty enough to counter newly introduced "FREMM" frigate in the Moroccan Navy.
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Morocco was never considered by Algeria as a potent menace to her security..Morocco is not a threat and will never be a threat. She knows well what will happen if she dare to adventure out of her legal borders...So far for the past several yeard , in 7 borders we share, 6 of them are unstable..and neither one of them was crossed or molested.

PRC2025 said:
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There are no other North African navies, except Egypt, and Egyptian Navy is clearly geared towards "fighting off" Israeli Navy - and Israeli Navy is superior to the Egyptian Navy, so I don't think Morocco and Algeria are thinking of any "North African" threat.
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Egypt navy is on air support system...Its old, poorly equipped and manned...

Algeria is one of the few North African&Middle Eastern countries (besides Israel) that's clearly going in for expanding its naval power.
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Algeria was always a navy country dating back from Massinissa times... israel and Algeria will be the only navy power in the area that have teeth...Tukey since its a NATO country, can't be considered since her future is depending on NATO.

Besides Kalaat Beni-Abbes LPD, there are 4 Improved Kilos with additional 2 on order. Then there are 2 MEKOs from Germany, and at least 3 C28A from China.
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4 kilos, 3 C28A, 2 more Meko and one more BLDS(LPD) are forecasted.

There was also reports about 2 Russian Tigr-class corvettes being on order, but I am not sure what has happened to this "order", as I haven't seen any updates on that for a while.
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They are in the second $8Billion plus signed last year with Russia

So Algeria wants to have an edge over Morocco, in both naval and air power, which I think Algeria has - especially with having S-300PMU2 SAMs, and rumors about S-400 SAMs being offered as well, which Algeria is interested in. That would double the air over for Algerian Su-30MKA and any new additional fighters in the near future as well.
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Algeria has the S300PMU and the S400 was ordered.

Algeria clearly have to watch its "back", or should we say "face" - if we are looking at the Algerian navy expanding, and the fact that most of the important infrastructure is located along the coast. Therefore navy, air power and strategic long-range SAMs are very important.
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:-)

You never know when NATO suddently can "decide to demoCRAZY" Algeria as well, as they did with Iraq & Libya, while trying to do the same to Syria through proxies.
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They tried and failed miserably in the 90's..Probed our defences in 2011 during Lybia's invasion, and couldn't..Now the SU24 and Drones (ylong) sweeps the Lybian territory daily to the Egyptian and the Soudanese border

So it's extremely important for Algeria, not only to have an edge over Morocco, but also to have enough defence to make it at least bloody for any attacking force who wants to demoCRAZY and bring the country into Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian, Somalian, South Sudanese, Mali and Yemeni level.
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Morocco doesn't even register on the scale or any arab country on that matter..
 
PRC2025 said:
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So Algeria wants to have an edge over Morocco, in both naval and air power, which I think Algeria has - especially with having S-300PMU2 SAMs, and rumors about S-400 SAMs being offered as well, which Algeria is interested in. That would double the air over for Algerian Su-30MKA and any new additional fighters in the near future as well. .
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TROLOLO you are joking right? Algeria and Morocco? it's not just about weapons bro, you are talking about 2 countries and both have good weapons, that's right, but only ONE of them has REAL BATTLEFIELD AND WAR EXPERIENCE ! which is not Morocco.... no matter how much fancy stuff a military has, they should never ever think about challenging EXPERIENCE!! And Morocco knows that very well, deep down they know they can't fight.
 
The Impulse. said:
TROLOLO you are joking right? Algeria and Morocco? it's not just about weapons bro, you are talking about 2 countries and both have good weapons, that's right, but only ONE of them has REAL BATTLEFIELD AND WAR EXPERIENCE ! which is not Morocco.... no matter how much fancy stuff a military has, they should never ever think about challenging EXPERIENCE!! And Morocco knows that very well, deep down they know they can't fight.
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I think you need to get some glasses. I don't know what you are "Trololo-ing" about. I know Algeria has war experience and if you rather look at my previous posts, I never implied anything else either.

Stop being stupid - the only one "joking" here is you!

Another problem for Algeria is that the terrorist regime in Rabat is a MNNA of the U.S. So I perfectly understand why Algeria wants to have an edge, and to expand on that edge further.

Ceylal said:
They tried and failed miserably in the 90's..Probed our defences in 2011 during Lybia's invasion, and couldn't..Now the SU24 and Drones (ylong) sweeps the Lybian territory daily to the Egyptian and the Soudanese border

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I know they tried in the 1990s and failed: however, Algeria must continue to be careful and to build up its forces, way beyond having an edge over Morocco. It needs serious fire power, and it's very good that the navy is expanding. It's the first line of the defence.

Any NATO terror country that hypothetically wants to attack Algeria, would always have to think that there are several Improved Kilos lurking under those waters - and some S-300PMU2 with soon to be S-400 SAMs waiting :)

So you should never ignore the threat from some countries.

Here are the countries that experienced what I call a "2nd Western or Islamic insurgency round" of attack:

1) Syria 1982 - then now again from 2011

2) Iraq 1991 Bush senior - then attacked again in 2003 by his own son

3) Libya 1986 (Qadaffi attacked by Ronald Reagan) - then again in 2011

I hope you see a pattern here. Winning the "1st round" doesn't mean they won't try again.

4) I should probably include Russia here as well. After 1st Cold War, now they are according to the West, "evil again". 2nd round coming right up!

So one should be careful, and I hope Algeria builds up a lot of forces.

5) I wonder if I should include Yemen and Somalia in the 2nd round insurgency/warfare etc as well.
 
Oh btw, Morocco doesn't have any submarines, so, in any future conflict, 1 kilo sub can sneak to the Moroccan navy bases and take down their whole navy fleet deep in the sea, then turn around and no one will notice. :help:
 

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