BD type 056 launched in Wuchang Shipyard

kaku1 said:

Dedicated SAM, which one, bro HQ-10 doesnt come up with category of SAM, thats CIWS.

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The lead ship is going to be named independence, what's the second one going to be called? Gonna have to wait for a few years before khulna starts building them in Bangladesh though .

damiendehorn said:

The lead ship is going to be named independence, what's the second one going to be called? Gonna have to wait for a few years before khulna starts building them in Bangladesh though .

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It will happen faster beyond your imagination with China's technical support.

There are a few notable differences between the BN version and the domestic PLAN that I have noticed.

Firstly, the absence of hull mounted sonar on the front of the vessel.



Secondly, the absence of the tri-packed Yu-7 torpedo launcher just forward of the Heli-deck (The BN version has two personal corridors where the torpedo launcher should be located, the retractable torpedo bay door is also thus absent).

Thirdly, the absence of the wave-suppression plate that is located at the rear of the vessel.This is a design that helps to minimize drag when a vessel is steaming @ higher speeds (>30 knots).



Next, the absence of passive/active towed sonar array @ the rear of the vessel. However, the first few PLAN vessels also did not sport such design, only the later batches had it.








Lastly, the EO turret mounted on the 30mm CIWS is of a different design than the PLAN version.(I personally favor the looks of the BN one). Though I am unable to conclude or even speculate to what purpose the new EO turret serves.

kaku1 said:

Desperation? Next time you call RAM as dedicated SAM too. Bro, learn something about dedicated SAM.

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SAM=surface-to-air missile

"The RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) is a small, lightweight, infrared homing surface-to-air missile"


Please continue, master Kaku! You crack me up like a professional comedian

592257001 said:

There are a few notable differences between the BN version and the domestic PLAN that I have noticed.

Firstly, the absence of hull mounted sonar on the front of the vessel.

Secondly, the absence of the tri-packed Yu-7 torpedo launcher just forward of the Heli-deck (The BN version has two personal corridors where the torpedo launcher should be located, the retractable torpedo bay door is also thus absent).

Thirdly, the absence of the wave-suppression plate that is located at the rear of the vessel.This is a design that helps to minimize drag when a vessel is steaming @ higher speeds (>30 knots).

Next, the absence of passive/active towed sonar array @ the rear of the vessel. However, the first few PLAN vessels also did not sport such design, only the later batches had it.

Lastly, the EO turret mounted on the 30mm CIWS is of a different design than the PLAN version.(I personally favor the looks of the BN one). Though I am unable to conclude or even speculate to what purpose the new EO turret serves.



SAM=surface-to-air missile

"The RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) is a small, lightweight, infrared homing surface-to-air missile"


Please continue, master Kaku! You crack me up like a professional comedian

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Again read my post.

kaku1 said:

Again read my post.

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To which post are you refering to?

Are these three posts not of your words?
"Hmmm, 4 Cruise Missile, thats great. But did you called HQ-10 as SAM? I dont believe that, handling such type of missile requires VLS."
"Desperation? Next time you call RAM as dedicated SAM too. Bro, learn something about dedicated SAM."
"Dedicated SAM, which one, bro HQ-10 doesnt come up with category of SAM, thats CIWS"

592257001 said:

To which post are you refering to?

Are these three posts not of your words?
"Hmmm, 4 Cruise Missile, thats great. But did you called HQ-10 as SAM? I dont believe that, handling such type of missile requires VLS."
"Desperation? Next time you call RAM as dedicated SAM too. Bro, learn something about dedicated SAM."
"Dedicated SAM, which one, bro HQ-10 doesnt come up with category of SAM, thats CIWS"

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Okey did you read the word "dedicated". BTW. How u compare aster with RAM.

kaku1 said:

Okey did you read the word "dedicated". BTW. How u compare aster with RAM.

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Hah hah, love playing the word game now?

The ability to perform CIWS role for any SAM would be to look @ its minimum engagement distance for high speed, small RCS targets.
If you want to categorize SAM as only those that does not fulfill CIWS roles (which btw, no navy in the world does), then both Barak 1 and Barak 8 would NOT be considered SAM.

Look under the "missile" section of the link:
Close-in weapon system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I find it extremely hilarious that one would say " bro HQ-10 doesn't come up with category of SAM". It's like saying a bird that can also dive into water not a bird, but a fish simply because it can go into water

kaku1 said:

Okey did you read the word "dedicated". BTW. How u compare aster with RAM.

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And, by your logic, ASTER 15 would also be considered a borderline CIWS, simply because it has a minimum engagement distance of 1.7km. You gotta tell me because of that, ASTER is NOT a SAM?!

592257001 said:

Hah hah, love playing the word game now?

The ability to perform CIWS role for any SAM would be to look @ its minimum engagement distance for high speed, small RCS targets.
If you want to categorize SAM as only those that does not fulfill CIWS roles (which btw, no navy in the world does), then both Barak 1 and Barak 8 would NOT be considered SAM.

Look under the "missile" section of the link:
Close-in weapon system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I find it extremely hilarious that one would say " bro HQ-10 doesn't come up with category of SAM". It's like saying a bird that can also dive into water not a bird, but a fish simply because it can go into water


And, by your logic, ASTER 15 would also be considered a borderline CIWS, simply because it has a minimum engagement distance of 1.7km. You gotta tell me because of that, ASTER is NOT a SAM?!

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Lol, again did you read the world dedicated.

BTW, if you categorize, then Barak-8 is not SAM but CIWS? Amazing, which school you had gone.

Nice

kaku1 said:

Lol, again did you read the world dedicated.

BTW, if you categorize, then Barak-8 is not SAM but CIWS? Amazing, which school you had gone.

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Of course I read the word "dedicated", and I had already informed you that a "dedicated SAM" is nothing but a pure fabrication from your mouth, as no military in the world uses such bull shit term. And I fail to see where the dedicated word is in your first post "But did you called HQ-10 as SAM? I dont believe that, handling such type of missile requires VLS.". It sounds as if you honestly considered a SAM (or dedicated SAM, lol) as some thing that requires VLS?

And it's not simply me that categorized the Barak-8 as a CIWS, I merely followed your logic that any missile that is capable of terminal stage point-air-defense against incoming high speed aerial targets should be considered as CIWS. It is Wikipedia that has categorized both Barak-8 and Barak-1 as CIWS, just like HQ-10 (They they are still all SAMs).

POSTED AGAIN: Look under the "missile" section of the link:
Close-in weapon system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia












And btw, if you are wondering about my credential/education, I was a Chief warrant officer of the 781 Squadron of the Royal Canadian Air Cadets, and am currently a Psy.D student student at the University of Alberta. Not that it's any of your business though.

kaku1 said:

Lol, again did you read the world dedicated.

BTW, if you categorize, then Barak-8 is not SAM but CIWS? Amazing, which school you had gone.

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Just in case Wikipedia was too academic for you, let me break it down in laymen's term, as your broken grammar seems to suggest that it is some thing required of me.

There are two TYPES of CIWS, one is gun type (AK-630, Phalanx, Type 730), the other being the SAM type (RAM, Sea Sparrow, HQ-10 and Barak).

To be called a CIWS, it simply have to be a weapon system capable of detecting and destroying short-range incoming missiles and enemy aircraft which have penetrated the outer defenses.