China/Pakistan/India - Was Nehru smarter than Modi?

Looks like the CCP is stepping up their game. Swatantra HK, Swatantra Tibet, Swatantra East Turkemenistan

SarthakGanguly said:

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Damn. Pranab Mukherjee is declared a mass murderer!

@SledgeHammer @scorpionx @Skull and Bones -

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And check post # 206, "Think Tank" using negative ratings to win arguments, desperation at its height!! I think now we should up the ante and start posting about the habitually genocidal regime of China and their atrocities on the helpless Muslims of Xinjiang and freedom-loving people of occupied Tibet, and also about the systematic annihilation of the critiques of CCP and pro-democracy scholars, we don't even know whether Liu Xiaobo is dead or alive and he is talking about our PM, that too by copy pasting from some other member's posts.

SledgeHammer said:

And check post # 206, "Think Tank" using negative ratings to win arguments, desperation at its height!! I think now we should up the ante and start posting about the habitually genocidal regime of China and their atrocities on the helpless Muslims of Xinjiang and freedom-loving people of occupied Tibet, and also about the systematic annihilation of the critiques of CCP and pro-democracy scholars, we don't even know whether Liu Xiaobo is dead or alive and he is talking about our PM, that too by copy pasting from some other member's posts.

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You guys do that already. So what's the difference?

At the end of the day, when Modi eventually makes a mistake on the Sino-Indian border, we'll see if Forward Policy 2.0 is more or less successful than the first.

Chinese-Dragon said:

You guys do that already. So what's the difference?

At the end of the day, when Modi eventually makes a mistake on the Sino-Indian border, we'll see if Forward Policy 2.0 is more or less successful than the first.

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Modi will not let you nibble away our land inch by inch, that is not a mistake but the right thing to do. Respect LAC and there will be peace & economic cooperation between India & China, in any case neither your country has the ability to bite India and go unharmed, nor you can take away any part of our land which is heavily guarded, unlike 1962. So, you are losing the business & investment opportunities in a huge market like India for some futile antics, looks like CCP's proteges are polluting their logical thinking process, that's why one need to keep "Good company", whether an Individual or a country.

jha said:

What is happening in Xinjiang is not what I am talking about. I am talking about someone in TTP/ISIS/Taliban suddenly realizing that they have a neighbor where condition is ripe to export their ideology.
Whats happening currently in those areas of China is "peanuts" ( quoting Zia ). Some Uighyrs come to an agency and receive basic training and go back to do some knife attacks. What if professionals from TTP/ISIS/Taliban/AQ start training them..? A Jihad in the biggest Kaafir land may very well find some very determined takers..

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It is on the radar already. Just a matter of time and relative priority.

jha said:

His superficial knowledge of India is very much evident in almost all of his posts ( both +ve and -ve posts about India). When one tries to learn about India on this site and takes help of Pakistanis to understand Indian Society, such blunders will keep happening. One will keep compartmentalizing Muslims as a separate entity as his whole knowledge of India will be based on TNT.

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It is fine. We can't solve all the world's problems here.

Especially ignorance of someone on the internet (deliberate or otherwise) is way lower on our list of priorities.

Chinese-Dragon said:

LOL you are right, it is India's Prime Minister Narenda Modi, who is a mass murderer. India's President is not the mass murderer, it is the Prime Minister. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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I do understand that you mentioned about studying law and how that poor Christian woman who committed blasphemy should be hanged as per the law.

Now since you are such a purist (never mind the lack of empathy in that post), tell me which court of law indicted Modi of being a mass murderer?

All I see in this thread from you is a gazillion repetitions of famine, we were weak, Nehru attacked us, Modi is a mass murderer, Forward Policy etc etc, nothing much of substance even though members have refuted each and every one of your points.

Chinese-Dragon said:

I think you missed most of the posts in this thread, including the ones in the first page.

Reuters quoted both Indian and Pakistani officials, who agree that it is Modi's "new assertive posture" that is causing an escalation on the border issues.

Who changed the status quo? India did.

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What is the "Status quo" that India changed?

That China will continue to nibble away our territory slowly and India will just sit tight and let it go?

That Pakistan will keep keeling our soldiers and civilians at frequent intervals & continue to send terrorists in our country and India will not respond in kind and just hold talks?

To hell with such status quo, we have a right to defend our sovereignity and we will continue to do so, get used to it.

As I said earlier, you have a choice to act as a responsible neighbour and end this incursion business, you will be rewarded with great business & investment opportunities, or you can continue with your provocations, and you will get non-cooperation and frustration in return.

Chinese-Dragon said:

Well, it happened before, didn't it?

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

The difference is that this time, China is not at our weakest point, like we were during the last one, and on the verge of collapse from the worst famine in our history.

Now we are at our strongest point in the past 200 years. Let's wait till Modi makes a mistake on the border.

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Btw, do you know you are behaving like a bot; repeating the same lie again and again?

SledgeHammer said:

Btw, do you know you are behaving like a bot; repeating the same lie again and again?

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Because Indian fanboys here keep insisting they know more than their own Army.

I'm quoting from India's own internal military report, the Henderson-Brooks report.



I don't know why you would deliberately insult your own Army like that? To claim even an internet fanboy knows more than them?

ExtraOdinary said:

All I see in this thread from you is a gazillion repetitions of famine, we were weak, Nehru attacked us, Modi is a mass murderer, Forward Policy etc etc, nothing much of substance even though members have refuted each and every one of your points.

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You haven't countered any of my points, I am quoting from the Indian Army itself (Henderson-Brooks report, Indian Naval chief, etc.) and the Indians here believe they know more than their own Army.

I don't know why you guys have such a low opinion on your own Armed forces, you consider the word of internet fanboys to be more true and more valuable than theirs.

Chinese-Dragon said:

Because Indian fanboys here keep insisting they know more than their own Army.

I'm quoting from India's own internal military report, the Henderson-Brooks report.



I don't know why you would deliberately insult your own Army like that? To claim even an internet fanboy knows more than them?



You haven't countered any of my points, I am quoting from the Indian Army itself (Henderson-Brooks report, Indian Naval chief, etc.) and the Indians here believe they know more than their own Army.

I don't know why you guys have such a low opinion on your own Armed forces, you consider the word of internet fanboys to be more true and more valuable than theirs.

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And you have conveniently ignored the question posed by me in the second paragraph of my post. A trend repeated multiple times in this thread. Dont you think people noticed the modus operandi?

Chinese-Dragon said:

Because Indian fanboys here keep insisting they know more than their own Army.

I'm quoting from India's own internal military report, the Henderson-Brooks report.



I don't know why you would deliberately insult your own Army like that? To claim even an internet fanboy knows more than them?



You haven't countered any of my points, I am quoting from the Indian Army itself (Henderson-Brooks report, Indian Naval chief, etc.) and the Indians here believe they know more than their own Army.

I don't know why you guys have such a low opinion on your own Armed forces, you consider the word of internet fanboys to be more true and more valuable than theirs.

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The only "fanboy" on this thread is the Op, namely you. I mean for a Think Thank to even attempt to analyze the policies of an Indian PM who headed India in the 60s with that of a PM who is heading India in 2014 is simply beyond belief. The policies then were engendered for a socialist India which had just obtained independence and was attempting to assert and define its national borders. That has been achieved from an Indian standpoint. The current PM faces a different challenge which is simply beyond comparison to the challenges faced back then. By that note, can the policies of Chairman Mao be compared to the policies of the current Chairman of the CCP ? Only a fool would attempt to draw a comparison given the change of circumstances in China. The same can be said of any person doing the same with India

SarthakGanguly said:

i. Our response to rogue states and civilized states are different and will continue to remain so.

ii. India has a very openly free (which sometimes gets irritating/funny/embarassing) media. So when illegal immigrants and smugglers(as you call cattle traders and civilians) are shot, it gets reported right away. There is no filtering process here.

iii. Indo Bangladesh border is completely quiet, except for smuggling operations. I don't think any civilized state would treat smugglers any better. China has stricter controls in place anyway.

iv. Beheadings were not done by India. In fact Indian soldiers got beheaded by elements of a rogue state. Blaming India for retaliating to ISIS-like forces is not fair.

v. You should thank your stars for not having a hostile rogue state as your neighbor. Otherwise imagine trying to stop inflitration with water canons. Even then I am not even going to aggressive postures against Vietnam, Japan or the very own Tiananmen etc. You do what you feel is necessary. And we do likewise.

vi. The perception of India in the International stage is very positive. The UN's ignoring anti India resolutions is testament to the fact. China has also a reasonably good image, except that it's often seen as a bully if only an economic one.

In any case, your state knows the difference, and does not treat India as an enemy. The Islamist Indo/Hinduphobic genocidal wet dreams of riding the Dragon towards victory will remain a dream.


Indian soldiers were beheaded by a rogue state. You need to check your sources again.

If India is fired upon by a responsible state, calls will go through proper channels. If fired upon by terrorists, India shall fire back. This is state policy.

Illegals and smugglers will continue to face Indian bullets. If someone wants, they are free to request transit for the illegals.

In any case - China has never protested against these Indian policies. Islamists have and will continue to do so. And their allies.

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Good post. Add to that, China has always been a genocidal state and continue to be so, even now China executes 10,000+ people EVERY YEAR officially as part of their so called judicial process, the numbers are many times higher than the death sentences given by rest of the world put together every year, this is state sponsored official genocide being conducted by China every year, many of them are political. And here @Chinese-Dragon is trying hard to show Modi as a murderer for a riot that he allegedly failed to control effectively, and even then the death toll in that riot was less than a 1000, the whole world knows which state is genocidal.

Something strange is happening in pdf, Pakistanis are trying to lecture us on secularism, and Chinese are lecturing us on genocide and unprovoked aggression, ridiculous.

SledgeHammer said:

Good post. Add to that, China has always been a genocidal state and continue to be so, even now China executes 10,000+ people EVERY YEAR officially as part of their so called judicial process, the numbers are many times higher than the death sentences given by rest of the world put together every year, this is state sponsored official genocide being conducted by China every year, many of them are political. And here @Chinese-Dragon is trying hard to show Modi as a murderer for a riot that he allegedly failed to control effectively, and even then the death toll in that riot was less than a 1000, the whole world knows which state is genocidal.

Something strange is happening in pdf, Pakistanis are trying to lecture us on secularism, and Chinese are lecturing us on genocide and unprovoked aggression, ridiculous.

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It is not me who calls Modi a mass murderer, it is Indians themselves.

It was Indians who connected the name "Modi" with mass murderer, and then spread it around the world so that the two terms have become synonymous.

And it's one of the reasons he is so popular in India, because of his genocide of Indian Muslims. India now has the 2nd largest Muslim population on Earth, and will soon be the number 1 biggest Muslim nation on Earth... so they want someone like Modi to "fix" that demographic problem before it happens.

The bad news for you, is that even Modi cannot fight against such overwhelming numbers, once you get to 30-40% then maybe you will have to accept Sharia law. India already has Sharia courts anyway, so it will be an easy transition.

Chinese-Dragon said:

It is not me who calls Modi a mass murderer, it is Indians themselves.
It was Indians who connected the name "Modi" with mass murderer, and then spread it around the world so that the two terms have become synonymous.

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so pakistanis are indian

@Chinese-Dragon seems Indians are going soft on you, otherwise all of us very well know how to deal with Chinese troll, many of us have a huge experience in that.

INDIC said:

@Chinese-Dragon seems Indians are going soft on you, otherwise all of us very well know how to deal with Chinese troll, many of us have a huge experience in that.

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What, you mean calling us by the same racial slurs you use on NE Indians, like "dirty ch*nk"?

Well, that's old news. It's too commonly used by Indians to mean anything anymore.