The Limited Military Utility of Pakistan’s "Battlefield Use" of Nuclear Weapons

ares said:

2) Pakistan does not have a delivery platform which can fire Nukes from any existing submarine or even a future one...not to say they are all conventional subs and are relatively very small in size.

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They can fire nuclear armed Babur CM from Agosta90B .

kurup said:

They can fire nuclear armed Babur CM from Agosta90B .

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Babur is surface to surface LACM, it has never been fired from submarine...nor has it been fired from any vessel at sea.

To convert LACM to SLCM..will require quite a few design modifications..including an additional booster...will Babur fit the 553 mm torpedo tubes of Pakistani submarines..after those changes?

ares said:

Babur is surface to surface LACM, it has never been fired from submarine...nor has it been fired from any vessel at sea.

To convert LACM to SLCM..will require quite a few design modifications..including an additional booster...will Babur fit the 553 mm torpedo tubes of Pakistani submarines..after those changes?

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Afaik , those changes will increase the length not diameter of the missile .

Diameter of Babur missile = 520 mm

hussain0216 said:

Indians said the same thing about Jets, Tanks and cruise missiles

Pakistan will one way or other ensure it gets a survivable sea based nuclear platform within the next decade if not next few years

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You had the Jets and tank right from the beginning. We never said that. You can not have Nuke subs and under water missile in such a short period time. By the time you get it, We will have the capability to detect and destroy under water subs. You guys want to give the benefit of even remote possible future development to yourself in argument and simultaneously assume that capability of your adversary will remained unchanged during that period.

kurup said:

They can fire nuclear armed Babur CM from Agosta90B .

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We have neither heard of Augusta'a ability to fire cruise missile nor we have heard of Under water version of Babur.

Thats only mean ......

Pakistan will never try to do adventure with india n India already dont wanna to care about pakistan. Our focus should be bigger ........

Means pakistan is a not an issue for India but for future we will have to prepare from any confict to any much stronger country........ like* China USA OR even Russia......

We need to secure our border and future......

Moto should be.... hum na aankh jhuka kar baat karenge na aankh dikhakar baat karenge...... hum to aankh mila kar baat karenge

danger007 said:

first answer me straight. . every jet is designed to do its role during war.. not just jf 17... jf 17 is bought due to lack of funds. .. it is not designed to MKI specific or mig specific.

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If PAF had proper funds then JF-17 would be on par of 4.5+ gen as PAF since 65 wanted to have a plane which they can play around as they want and its free on sanctions. Indigenous plane building capability what PAF wanted since then.

Basel said:

If PAF had proper funds then JF-17 would be on par of 4.5+ gen as PAF since 65 wanted to have a plane which they can play around as they want and its free on sanctions. Indigenous plane building capability what PAF wanted since then.

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that if is too big..

danger007 said:

that if is too big..

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They way PAF is going with JF-17s it clearly shows that one day it will be more advance plane then our F-16 block 50/52+, they are taking similar (not same) approach as it was taken for F-16 since 78', upgrading block by block.

Western AESA is available for JF-17s money is the real issue.

Basel said:

They way PAF is going with JF-17s it clearly shows that one day it will be more advance plane then our F-16 block 50/52+, they are taking similar (not same) approach as it was taken for F-16 since 78', upgrading block by block.

Western AESA is available for JF-17s money is the real issue.

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jf 17 can't be on par with f 16... you might get chinese AESA but western i doubt..