rampant extortion in KPK

DESERT FIGHTER said:

I read tht article abt Hussaini mohyals etc... had a chat witg butchcassidy (hes also mohyal)... all point out the fact that they are brahmains... but than i asked him( my friend) he said they are rajputs ... they are settled in dipalpur ... i have another frnd from Rwlpindi .. military background... he has no issue saying that his ancestors were brahmin...

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I don't know why there's so much dishonor associated with having Hindu ancestors when most people of Pakistan actually had hindu ancestors. I mean even Pashtun and significant number of Brahvi were Hindus at one point of their history. There are hindu temples in Kalat till this day I have heard. And even Arabs were Jahilia before they were muslim lol.

I'm a rajput and we often get degrading hindu convert remarks haha. I guess it's our education system which makes people delusional. Also, it's weird why they claim a rajput descent when Brahmins are "higher caste" than rajputs lol.

DESERT FIGHTER said:

I know the names of 5 of my ancestors... memorised i guess.. also have a shajra...

P.S: whats your caste?

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Jatt, he mentioned someone else also who was father of my pardara. So thats 4 i guess? But i am only interested in non-muslim ancestor names now. Anyway i may create thread when i get full details of my family history.

Mirasis of rural areas are best people to find out and debunk other people claims now days, they did keep records of jats-rajputs.

oye_natta said:

Jatt, he mentioned someone else also who was father my pardara. So thats 4 i guess? But i am only interested in non-muslim ancestor names now.

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Jatts have very interesting and different sounding clan names. Anyone with the name ending at "eka" or "aya" is a jatt. Like Goraya, Laleka.

PS: Are Mekan and Gondal Jatt tribes? I think they're pretty influential in Sargodha.

ghoul said:

Jatts have very interesting and different sounding clan names. Anyone with the name ending at "eka" or "aya" is a jatt. Like Goraya, Laleka.

PS: Are Mekan and Gondal Jatt tribes? I think they're pretty influential in Sargodha.

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Gondal yes no idea about Mekan.

Edit: looking at google they also appear to be jats.

ghoul said:

I don't know why there's so much dishonor associated with having Hindu ancestors when most people of Pakistan actually had hindu ancestors. I mean even Pashtun and significant number of Brahvi were Hindus at one point of their history. There are hindu temples in Kalat till this day I have heard. And even Arabs were Jahilia before they were muslim lol.

I'm a rajput and we often get degrading hindu convert remarks haha. I guess it's our education system which makes people delusional. Also, it's weird why they claim a rajput descent when Brahmins are "higher caste" than rajputs lol.

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Brahvi arent hindus.. they married dravidian women...

DESERT FIGHTER said:

Brahvi arent hindus.. they married dravidian women...

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I heard about some Kalat-e-Sewa dynasty ruling Kalat before the Khan and they were Hindus, so maybe I thought they were Hindu too. What's Khan of Kalat's clan? Mengal? And some people with surname "Brohi" look a bit dravidic. I wonder where the dravidians came from.

ghoul said:

I heard about some Kalat-e-Sewa dynasty ruling Kalat before the Khan and they were Hindus, so maybe I thought they were Hindu too. What's Khan of Kalat's clan? Mengal? And some people with surname "Brohi" look a bit dravidic. I wonder where the dravidians came from.

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There is practically no difference in feature of brahui and Baloch. Brahui seem to be little shorter but not much, maybe little bit more tanned/darker. Just going by anhtro forum posts where non-troll people give good opinions of different people.

Also look at harappadna Brahui results.

oye_natta said:

There is practically no difference in feature of brahui and Baloch. Brahui seem to be little shorter but not much, maybe little bit more tanned/darker. Just going by anhtro forum posts where non-troll people give good opinions of different people.

Also look at harappadna Brahui results.

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This is what I found after searching brohi on google:


lol!

But my last post aside, this guy looks pretty dravidic. He's A.K.Brohi, but maybe he's Sindhi that's why?:

ghoul said:

If you had done some reading, you'd realize that Rawalpindi and Jhelum were particularly bloody. Some 12% population of Potohar was Hindu and Sikh. You South Punjabis might have given them a dignified exit, we didn't. Although, Shahnawaz Khan Janjua(foster father of Shahrukh's mother) of Kahuta saved a lot of them.

And this old Mohyal woman is lying too right?:

And as I mentioned, some opportunist gangs cashed on the opportunity to get Jewelry. Not everyone did. The most involved people in the massacre were the local Gakhars, who are too noble and gentlemanly to kill someone for Jewelry. And although innocents should have been spared, the Sikhs deserved a general exile from the region. Ranjit Sindh had displaced and depossessed the local tribesmen of their properties, and moved in Sikhs from the plains into them. They weren't locals and settled by force, so they deserved a general exile. Also Sikhs had killed thousands of our east Punjabi brethren, and we avenged them unlike South Punjabi cowards.

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You know the strange thing is, among the Sikhs, the Khatris of Pothohar got it the worst. Then after partition most of these Pothohari Khatri Sikhs moved to Delhi. And in 1984, it was again they who suffered the most during the riots after Indira Gandhi died instead of Sikhs in Punjab. Talk about bad luck

ghoul said:

This is what I found after searching brohi on google:

lol!

But my last post aside, this guy looks pretty dravidic. He's A.K.Brohi, but maybe he's Sindhi that's why?:

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Can't see face properly of 2nd pic, but first pic are brahui?

Don't mean to interrupt you but here is a typical Haryana Jat older guy - Om Prakash Chautala - former CM of Haryana

ghoul said:

Believe me if I was a Pakistani leader, I'd send all these Afghans to gas chambers like Hitler. When they're forced to leave their basti, they return just a few months later and open up a new basti somewhere else. Pakistan should form a law where if a deported afghan returns, he'd have to face 10 year imprisonment. Nato withdrawal will send further lacs into Pakistan, and this time their focus will be Islamabad/Rawalpindi rather than Peshawar. A qabayli is tolerable for us, an Afghan is not. If thousands more move into our homeland, I hope the locals will repeat 47, but this times Afghans instead of hindhu and sikhs as victims. Excuse my violent remarks.

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My family has also bought plots in pindi-islamabad, the ones who sold it to us, were your potoharis/punjabis. So you should be frustrated at your own people.
Pashtuns have migrated eastward since long, either due to wars in their watan or for oppurtunities. In those times, vast stretches of hindostan upto bengal were opened to them. Nowadays they cant go beyond wagha. So it would be either punjab or sindh, but only in their urban centres.
About your day dreaming of committing genocide of Afghans in Potohar, thats not gonna happen for various reasons. If it was that easy, indian mohajirs would have already committed genocide of pashtuns in karachi or sindhis would have already cleansed sindh from all kind of settlers. Your scenario can only happen, if attempt of genocide is backed by state, carried out by army (punjabi and pathan civilians themeselves are o.k with each other, so rule out your 47 dream)....as happened in 1971 with bengalis, when jawans from potohar could not control the lust and thirst for women and blood.
For qabail or any pashtuns, the threat is not from some lalu panju civilian from potohar or else where, Its highly trained professional army with guns, tanks, artillary, jets, gunship helis etc. Khaki jawans are losing 'temper' with each passing year, raheel shareef has shown that he is ready to move the level of 'punishment' to next level. Honestly speaking british never faced such dangerous enemy like TTP from pashtun belt still they faced a low intensity insurgency for 100 years led by mullahs, malaks and faqeers. TTP's ambushes on security forces would go on for several decades. Lets see when first rape of pashtun woman occurs by faujis and let see what would be the response of general pashtun population, as well as those in FC and lower ranks of the army, to the incident.

ghoul said:

Tandoors, labour and other low scale jobs. But recently, they have tried their luck at extortion and kidnapping. It's not uncommon for Islamabad businessmen to get threatening calls from Afghan based or fata based mobile numbers. Like recently, some 2 Afghans threw a grenade at a plaza in a rural town, when it's owner refused to pay extortion.

Had they been good mehmaan, didn't commit crimes and not maligned us on social media, I, or I should say we, would have been more accommodating to them.

And in Peshawar, Afghans are big time into crime. But Khyber agency based Pakistani gangs are equally bad. They even attack factories in Peshawar.



The violence was worse in Potohar because of loan sharking by some Hindhu khatri bands, and the fact that Sikhs were settlers rather than locals. I know a Gakhar, whose father is said to have killed 100 people at least. Opportunists also moved in to cash on the calamity, and killed shelterless non-muslim families to get their jewelry.

And I didn't deny Sikh violence on eastern Punjabi muslims. I wonder who started it all.

You can label me whatever you want, but wait for a further 1 million Afghans in our country when Nato withdraws.

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You punjabis have habit of generalizing and stereotyping about pashtuns, whether positively or negatively. Pashtunwali is like belief and religion, some follow it, some doest. Some live upto it, some doesnt. I.e a pashtun can be imaandar or bey-imaan, a ghairatmand or beghairat, brave or coward. But like most of the societies, we look down upon vices and sins and cant accept it as norms. E.g you yourself said that many afghans in your area are earning through hard work e.g tandoor and labour. Yet you chose to make your opinion about them from some extortion cases in which afghans may or may not be involved.

ghoul said:

If you had done some reading, you'd realize that Rawalpindi and Jhelum were particularly bloody. Some 12% population of Potohar was Hindu and Sikh. You South Punjabis might have given them a dignified exit, we didn't. Although, Shahnawaz Khan Janjua(foster father of Shahrukh's mother) of Kahuta saved a lot of them.

And this old Mohyal woman is lying too right?:

And as I mentioned, some opportunist gangs cashed on the opportunity to get Jewelry. Not everyone did. The most involved people in the massacre were the local Gakhars, who are too noble and gentlemanly to kill someone for Jewelry. And although innocents should have been spared, the Sikhs deserved a general exile from the region. Ranjit Sindh had displaced and depossessed the local tribesmen of their properties, and moved in Sikhs from the plains into them. They weren't locals and settled by force, so they deserved a general exile. Also Sikhs had killed thousands of our east Punjabi brethren, and we avenged them unlike South Punjabi cowards.

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There is no honour in that, not a single sikh was harmed in pashtun belt due to code of pashtunwali, even though muslim leaguis were instigating them to do so. The sikhs in peshawer and FATA, came with ranjeet singh forces yet it didnt provoke us to massacre them, even though hari singh nalwa spilled lot of pashtun blood. Instead of killing sikhs under our protection like cowards, our battle hardened tribesmen were eager to go to east punjab and kashmir to avenge deaths of muslims as evident from telegram of liaqat ali khan to nehru (but were directed to kashmir only by pakistan).
What people of multan did, was honourable and islamic.

oye_natta said:

His friend case is similar to sudans, they don't claim rajput but instead pashtun ancestry which make 0 sense. Because there are sikhs and hindu sudhans in India.

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There are also hindu rohilla rajputs in Rohilkhund , even though rohilla is synonymous with pashtun. When i dig deeper, i found out that rajputs of kumoun and rohilkhund, who were under rule of rohillas, served under various chieftains of rohillas. Kumaouni, garhwali and katehr rajputs were martial hindu people so they were recruited by rohillas. They got labelled as rohillas and use surname of rohilla. Same must be the case with sudhans, who were declared "martial race" by british, were heavily recruited and it was not no coincidence that they rebelled in poonch. They have khan surnames. And they are very clear and loud about their sadozai origin, which shouldnt be so surprising for you as sadozais have ruled kashmir for 67 years. Sudhans are too much martial to be brahmins.