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Apr. 24, 2014 7:29 PM ET
Ukraine moves against insurgents in the east
By YURAS KARMANAU

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Ukrainian troops take position next to burning tires at a pro Russian checkpoint following an attack by Ukrainian troops outside in Slovyansk, Ukraine, Thursday, April 24, 2014. Ukrainian government troops moved against pro-Russia forces in the east of the country on Thursday and killed at least two of them in clashes at checkpoints manned by the insurgents, the government and insurgents said. Russian President Vladimir Putin decried what he described as a "punitive operation." (AP Photo/Mika Velikovskiy)

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SLOVYANSK, Ukraine (AP) — Russia announced new military exercises Thursday involving ground and air forces near its border with Ukraine, swiftly responding to a Ukrainian operation to drive pro-Russia insurgents out of occupied buildings in the country's tumultuous east.

The Ukrainian move, which killed at least two people, brought new threats from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who denounced it as a "punitive operation."

"If the Kiev government is using the army against its own people, this is clearly a grave crime," Putin said.

Putin's statement and the announcement of new military maneuvers sharpened anxiety over the prospect of a Russian incursion into Ukraine. Russia's foreign minister warned a day earlier that any attack on Russian citizens or interests in eastern Ukraine would bring a strong response.

Secretary of State John Kerry quickly denounced the Russian actions, and in unusually blunt language warned that unless Moscow took immediate steps to de-escalate the situation, Washington would have no choice but to impose additional sanctions.

"Following today's threatening movement of Russian troops right up to Ukraine's border, let me be clear: If Russia continues in this direction, it will not just be a grave mistake, it will be an expensive mistake," Kerry said. "The window to change course is closing,"

Accusing Russia of fomenting unrest and separatist sentiment in eastern Ukraine following its annexation of the strategic Crimean Peninsula, Kerry added: "Nobody should doubt Russia's hand in this."

"What is happening in eastern Ukraine is a military operation that is well-planned and organized, and we assess that it is being carried out at the direction of Russia," the U.S. secretary of state said.

Animosity between Moscow and Kiev has been high since the ouster of Russia-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych in February in the wake of months of protests. Russia contends the government that took over consists of nationalists who aim to suppress the large Russian-speaking population in Ukraine's east.

In March, Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula after its residents voted to split off from Ukraine. Russian troops backed up local militias that blocked off Ukrainian military bases in the run-up to the referendum.

Ukraine's acting president accused Russia of backing the separatists in the east and demanded that Moscow stop its intimidation campaign, and leave his country alone.

Oleksandr Turchynov said in an address to the nation Thursday that Russia was "coordinating and openly supporting terrorist killers" in eastern Ukraine, where government buildings in at least 10 cities have been seized by pro-Russia gunmen.

Turchynov said Russia must pull back its troops from the Ukrainian border and "stop the constant threats and blackmail."

His foreign minister, on a visit to Prague, also blasted the Russian decision to start new military maneuvers and said his country would fight any invading troops.

"We will now fight with Russian troops if ... they invade Ukraine. Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian army are ready to do this," Andriy Deshchytisa told The Associated Press.

Russia already has tens of thousands of troops stationed in regions along its border with Ukraine. The latest Russian military exercises involve ground troops in the south and the west and the air forces patrolling the border, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said.

Ukraine and Russia reached a deal in Geneva last week to defuse the crisis, but pro-Russian insurgents in the east — and nationalist militants in Kiev — have defied calls for all sides to disarm and to vacate the buildings they are occupying.

NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow sharply criticized Russia for making "veiled threats" and said Russia should pull its troops back to their barracks.

The Ukrainian government and the West worry that Putin would welcome a pretext for a military intervention in eastern Ukraine. Putin denies that any Russian agents are operating there, but insists he has the right to intervene to protect the ethnic Russians who make up a sizeable minority in the east.

Earlier in Tokyo, President Barack Obama accused Moscow of failing to live up to "the spirit or the letter" of last week's deal to ease tensions in Ukraine. If that continues, Obama said, "there will be further consequences and we will ramp up further sanctions."

With no appetite in the U.S. for a military response, Obama is largely banking on Putin caving under a cascade of economic sanctions targeting his closest associates. But the success of that strategy also depends on European nations with closer financial ties to Moscow taking similar action, despite their concerns about a boomerang effect on their own economies.

"I understand that additional sanctions may not change Mr. Putin's calculus," Obama said. "How well they change his calculus in part depends on not only us applying sanctions, but also the cooperation of other countries."

Meanwhile, an American journalist who had been held by insurgents in the eastern city of Slovyansk was freed Thursday.

Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News told the AP in a brief telephone call that he had been freed and was heading to Donetsk, the largest city in the region. He did not give details of his seizure or his release.

Ostrovsky went missing early Tuesday in Slovyansk. A spokeswoman for the insurgents later said he was being held at a local Ukrainian security service that had been seized earlier.

Slovyansk, located 100 miles (160 kilometers) west of the Russian border, has emerged as the focus of the armed insurgency.

The Ukrainian Interior Ministry said military and special police forces killed "up to five terrorists" while destroying three checkpoints north of Slovyansk on Thursday. One government security service member was wounded, it said.

Stella Khorosheva, a spokeswoman for the Slovyansk insurgents, said two pro-Russia fighters were killed at a checkpoint in the village of Khrestyshche, six miles north of the city. She said checks were being made at hospitals to see if there were other casualties.

The situation was quiet in Slovyansk itself, but checkpoints inside the city were abandoned and it was unclear where the pro-Russia insurgents manning them had gone.

Khorosheva said the pro-Russia militia later regained control over the checkpoints where the clashes took place. By Thursday afternoon, an AP reporter confirmed that some of those checkpoints were back in the hands of insurgents.

Khorosheva declared that the fighters were ready to repel any attack by government troops.

"We will defend ourselves to our last drop of blood. We are ready to repeat Stalingrad," she told the AP, invoking the memory of the Soviet army's victory over German forces in 1942-43.

At least 10 Ukrainian government armored vehicles were seen on the road north of Slovyansk and two helicopters circled over the area. Troops ordered residents to keep away during the operation.

Near the town of Makatikha, several miles north of Slovyansk, pro-Russia militia set fire to rows of car tires in an apparent attempt to reduce the visibility from the air. An AP reporter saw about two dozen militiamen manning checkpoints along the road earlier in the day.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said his forces had cleared city hall in Mariupol of the pro-Russia protesters who had been occupying it for more than a week. He provided no details of the operation in the city, which sits along the main road between mainland Russia and Crimea.

Yulia Lasazan, a spokeswoman for Mariupol's police department, told the AP about 30 masked men armed with baseball bats stormed the building before dawn Thursday and started beating the pro-Russia protesters. Five people were taken to a hospital, she said.

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Associated Press writers Jim Heintz in Moscow and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.

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You know what's funny? Nazi troops of Junta attacked the rebels , drove them from the checkpoint. And then took the food, medicaments and cigarettes and left.
The junta does not feed soldiers! Such an army can not fight!
 
You know what's funny? Nazi troops of Junta attacked the rebels , drove them from the checkpoint. And then took the food, medicaments and cigarettes and left.
The junta does not feed soldiers! Such an army can not fight!
Can't believe everything you see or read on RT, Vostok. Yes, we get it here, too: three cable channels of history-and-current-events-according-to-Putin! (Though it has a few less stories nowadays as some of its U.S.-based staff has resigned.)

Luckily that's only three cable channels out of several hundred.
 
Can't believe everything you see or read on RT, Vostok. Yes, we get it here, too: three cable channels of history-and-current-events-according-to-Putin! (Though it has a few less stories nowadays as some of its U.S.-based staff has resigned.)

Luckily that's only three cable channels out of several hundred.
And what have the RT? I receive information from some forums and websites. I know 100% that the soldiers who mobilized in the Ukrainian army by illegitimate government contained in the most abominable conditions. They do not eat hot some do not feed at all.
 
And what have the RT? I receive information from some forums and websites. I know 100% that the soldiers who mobilized in the Ukrainian army by illegitimate government contained in the most abominable conditions. They do not eat hot some do not feed at all.
Yes, the Ukrainians sustain themselves through taking whiffs of bread while the Russian soldiers, whose commanders believe an army runs on it stomach, gorge themselves and feeling satisfied, think the world is great and the Russian Army a fine place to be. Very like the contrast in the Great Patriotic War between the Nazis and the Soviets, yes?
 
Very like the contrast in the Great Patriotic War between the Nazis and the Soviets, yes?

the only one whos pointing towards moscow like the nazis are Nato and this Ukrainian Junta
 
the only one whos pointing towards moscow like the nazis are Nato and this Ukrainian Junta
The Russian Army of old had this quality: if a war was seen as just they would fight it; if a war was seen as unjust they would stick their bayonets in the ground and walk away. That you have to invoke fear of a Ukrainian invasion of Russia threatening Moscow very much suggests just how dangerously thin Russian support is for this Ukrainian adventure of Putin's.
 
@Solomon2

You are wasting your time. The Western European leaders are desperately looking for a way to pretend the Ukraine mess never happened and to resume normal ties with Russia.

The Americans will get some token cooperation from Western Europeans, but nothing substantive.
 
Yes, the Ukrainians sustain themselves through taking whiffs of bread while the Russian soldiers, whose commanders believe an army runs on it stomach, gorge themselves and feeling satisfied, think the world is great and the Russian Army a fine place to be. Very like the contrast in the Great Patriotic War between the Nazis and the Soviets, yes?
Country is obliged to take care of its soldiers. USSR always gave all the best to army. In the 90s Russian army was practically destroyed . As far as I know , by 1996 Russia's defense remained only 6% of the USSR's defensive . Putin changed the situation - the country again cares about its soldiers . It must be so .
And Ukraine - this is not really a state. It is just some territory inhabited by Russian in the east and in the west by Galicians . In the east - the Orthodox , in the west - the Greek Catholics . In the east - the Russian language , in the west - a terrible mix of Russian , Polish , Hungarian, Romanian .
Separation must occur. We are not compatible. Russian rebels in the east enjoy almost 100% support of the population. Galician Nazis likewise enjoy support in Galicia. We can not live in the same country.
 
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Separation must occur. We are not compatible. Russian rebels in the east enjoy almost 100% support of the population. Galician Nazis likewise enjoy support in Galicia. We can not live in the same country.
No doubt you would have referred to Ukrainians as "brothers" two short years ago. What was it Yevgeni Yetushenko and Alexsandr Soltzinitsyn wrote of people like you? AH, that's it, that "it was easy to understand them, but difficult to respect them." Because rather than fight for principle, you hooked yourself to tyrannical power either out of personal cowardice or in the hopes and expectations of the rewards it would bring yourself, to the detriment of your fellows.

You are wasting your time. The Western European leaders are desperately looking for a way to pretend the Ukraine mess never happened and to resume normal ties with Russia.
I'm not sure they'll find one. The problem is that the longer this goes on, the worse Russia looks, as it slowly dawns upon European leaders that it's less dangerous to be Russia's opponent than Russia's friend - for if you trust in Russian "friendship" the little green men may be knocking on your door next, demanding you leave the official residence and taking your family silver to boot.
 
I'm not sure they'll find one. The problem is that the longer this goes on, the worse Russia looks, as it slowly dawns upon European leaders that it's less dangerous to be Russia's opponent than Russia's friend - for if you trust in Russian "friendship" the little green men may be knocking on your door next, demanding you leave the official residence and taking your family silver to boot.

The West Europeans will find a way to forgive Russia, for they see this as a Grand Game between two erstwhile rivals for global domination. The West Europeans may be part of NATO and the "West", but they are not keen to take sides in a US v/s Russia conflict.

The bigger headache for West Europeans will be how to mollify the East Europeans and the Ukrainians.
 
No doubt you would have referred to Ukrainians as "brothers" two short years ago. What was it Yevgeni Yetushenko and Alexsandr Soltzinitsyn wrote of people like you? AH, that's it, that "it was easy to understand them, but difficult to respect them." Because rather than fight for principle, you hooked yourself to tyrannical power either out of personal cowardice or in the hopes and expectations of the rewards it would bring yourself, to the detriment of your fellows.
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Explain to me why Americans might rebel against Britain, and the residents of New Russia can not rebel against the Kiev Junta? They are many times publicly insulted, humiliated and threatened Russian and Russian-speaking population. They think we are "slaves", "cattle" and so on.
We stood up to the holy struggle against the tyranny of Western Ukrainian Nazism. It is our sacred right. And we have every right to reunite with our Motherland - Russia.
U.S. supported the rebels of Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and many other countries. Why do not you support rebels in eastern Ukraine? We are fighting for freedom too.
 
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Explain to me why Americans might rebel against Britain, and the residents of New Russia can not rebel against the Kiev Junta?...U.S. supported the rebels of Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and many other countries. Why do not you support rebels in eastern Ukraine?
The U.S. Declaration of Independence lists the reasons for the Americans' rebellion from British tyranny. You can check for yourself and decide which elements apply to Putin and which may apply to the "Kiev Junta", as you call it.

We stood up to the holy struggle against the tyranny of Western Ukrainian Nazism.
Yes, the Ukrainians were big collaborators with the Nazis. So were the Russians. (Do you know which Russian Army liberated Prague from the Germans?)
 
The U.S. Declaration of Independence lists the reasons for the Americans' rebellion from British tyranny. You can check for yourself and decide which elements apply to Putin and which may apply to the "Kiev Junta", as you call it.

Yes, the Ukrainians were big collaborators with the Nazis. So were the Russians. (Do you know which Russian Army liberated Prague from the Germans?)
Military part of Junta - it's mostly the descendants of West Ukrainian Nazis who fought during WW2 on the side of Hitler. In Lviv, they officially proclaimed the Day of Victory over Nazism day of mourning. While for us the 9th of May - Victory Day, a great holiday, the largest of the non-religious holidays.
We do not want them to impose to us their Nazi heroes.
Ukrainians in the majority against EU integration . We are mostly for an alliance with Russia . Because Ukrainians and Russian - is essentially the same people . Only residents of Western Ukraine - against Russia. But they make up a small part of the population . But the most active . They consider themselves to be "correct Ukrainians " and Russian and Russian-speaking - "not correct".
Of course, we revolted after the illegal seizure of power. It is our sacred right - to rebel against tyranny.
And instead of trying to find a common language with us , they throw against us army and kill us. Initially, we just wanted to make federative Ukraine and the Russian as official language . But now we will fight for independence from Kiev and their fascist rule . And it is our right .
 

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