South China Sea Forum

Beidou2020 said:

Yup.

Thats why we defeated Japan, US, India and Vietnam (3 times).

We have dozens of type 056 corvettes, dozens of type 054A frigates, dozen type 052C/D destroyers, and constructing the type 055 cruiser.

We have dozens of submarines, both conventional and nuclear that is equipped with advanced missiles.

Good luck trying to keep up with the PLA military build up

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surely we don´t have the people, landmass, money and resources that China has, but we will try our best a bit of arms race.

ViXuyen said:

Yes, it was unarmed transport boat.

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A unarmed boat with cannon ?

Check out the website below , tell me your boat is unarmed transport boat again.

http://www.iqiyi.com/w_19rqy32mf1.html

Beidou2020 said:

That was due to the emergence of SAMS during that time. The US was unprepared.

We know everything Vietnam has and just bomb all the key military targets and proceed to drop depleted uranium all across Vietnam.

Lets see Vietnamese society deal with deployed uranium all across Vietnam.
That'll shut the Viets up for a few decades.

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SAM is a mighty toy.

if you haven´t noticed Vietnam has one of the most dense air defence networks in SE Asia. good luck for chinese boys in flying coffins. I can see coming that their mothers cry about their deaths.

Kyle Sun said:

Give me a break please!

You would never be ready!

Until not , Viet still can not even make a tank yourself .

You can shot down those fighters because the SAM,the Jets from Soviet Union and the archibald from China.

And also the tough will to fight of the soldier.

But without the SAM JET GUns ,the will to fight is nothing !

No matter how tough your fighting will , you can not break a fighter with stick.

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Why make a tank when we can buy something like the Kornet-EM ATGM that can destroy 1300 mm of armour at 8 km away at a price of just $100k USD including launcher?

Viet said:

surely we don´t have the people, landmass, money and resources that China has, but we will try our best a bit of arms race.

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IMHO!

Viet is too small to do arm race with us . I mean economy.

US and Japan is the right one.

Kyle Sun said:

IMHO!

Viet is too small to do arm race with us . I mean economy.

US and Japan is the right one.

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I know hence I say a bit of arms race, just to maintain a minimum creditable deterrence.

should it come to a confrontation, we expect Russia to deliver military toys on credit.

ViXuyen said:

Why make a tank when we can buy something like the Kornet-EM ATGM that can destroy 1300 mm of armour at 8 km away at a price of just $100k USD including launcher?

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You are right !

You just can buy something , you always depend on the others' support , so you will never be ready.

That's the problem . That's the Key .

Do not use the data such like how many fighters you shot down during the war to show off.

How many fighters you can shot down without SAM/Mig/ack-ack?

The only thing you should proud is the fighting will.

Viet said:

I know hence I say a bit of arms race.

should it come to a confrontation, we expect Russia to deliver military toys on credit.

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Small amount will be ok.

But long term is no way , Ru is not super power anymore , their economy is not very good , they can not afford that

And China do not have very serous contradiction with Ru

Kyle Sun said:

You are right !

You just can buy something , you always depend on the others' support , so you will never be ready.

That's the problem . That's the Key .

Do not use the data such like how many fighters you shot down during the war to show off.

How many fighters you can shot down without SAM/Mig/ack-ack?

The only thing you should proud is the fighting will.

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This is the reason why you think we can't do an arm race with you guys. You are thinking that we must match one of your tanks with one of our tanks, one of our jets with one of your jets. However, we can match one of your tanks with just one or two ATGM or one of your jets with two or three air to ground missiles. On the naval front, we can always match your fleet with more submarines or midget submarines. Submarine is the guerilla weapon at sea my friend. You spend ten bucks, we only need to spend a buck and that is more than enough to counter your conventional forces of two military districts and one fleet

Viet said:

SAM is a mighty toy.

if you haven´t noticed Vietnam has one of the most dense air defence networks in SE Asia. good luck for chinese boys in flying coffins. I can see coming that their mothers cry about their deaths.

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Now is 21th century.

The advantage in amount can not compensate the disadvantage in quality .

On the other hand , one piece of 2 pieces good weapon can not change the result .

it can also apply to China.

Kyle Sun said:

Small amount will be ok.

But long term is no way , Ru is not super power anymore , their economy is not very good , they can not afford that

And China do not have very serous contradiction with Ru

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it is just a moment in time. Russia has a strong military base and natural resources. helping Vietnam with money and military toys should not be a problem. Putin is keen to bring Russia to the glorious past.

we will help him, too to reach that goal.

ViXuyen said:

This is the reason why you think we can't do an arm race with you guys. You are thinking that we must match one of your tanks with one of our tanks, one of our jets with one of your jets. However, we can match one of your tanks with just one or two ATGM or one of your jets with two or three air to ground missiles. On the naval front, we can always match your fleet with more submarines or midget submarines. Submarine is the guerilla weapon at sea my friend. You spend ten bucks, we only need to spend a buck and that is more than enough to counter your conventional forces of two military districts and one fleet

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Arm RACE!!!

tell me the meaning of RACE!

The cold war between SV and US is arm race .

That means you need to run ahead or try to run ahead of China in the amount and quality of weapons.

That costs huge amount of money , you need to use the whole power of your nation .

Remember , Guerilla is just a tactics ,it means you are not capable to do the arm race.

Viet said:

it is just a moment in time. Russia has a strong military base and natural resources. helping Vietnam with money and military toys should not be a problem. Putin is keen to bring Russia to the glorious past.

we will help him, too to reach that goal.

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RU is powerful . No doubt.

RU has so many natural resources, that is good for RU .

But it does not means Ru can stand up.

Until now , RU's economy is depend on the export of resources.

Even their own army does not have enough weapons. Such as Jets/S400/Sub/Tank.

How do you thing RU will give you those important and expensive weapons to Viet ?

And I do not know the meaning of " you Viet help Ru to the glorious past"?

Kyle Sun said:

RU is powerful . No doubt.

RU has so many natural resources, that is good for RU .

But it does not means Ru can stand up.

Until now , RU's economy is depend on the export of resources.

Even their own army does not have enough weapons. Such as Jets/S400/Sub/Tank.

How do you thing RU will give you those important and expensive weapons to Viet ?

And I do not know the meaning of " you Viet help Ru to the glorious past"?

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Putin said recently: the downfall of the Soviet Union is one of most tragically moments in the world history.
he is determined to bring Russia to the glorius past.

give him some years, you will see. Crimea is just the beginning.

as for Vietnam, you will see, too how Vietnam can help him to achieve that goal. in economics, a hint: Vietnam is going to join soon the Russian led economics bloc consisting of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia. Vietnamese government promised that during the Russian PM in Hanoi recently.

Russia is keen to win Vietnam as partner, as they want access to markets in ASEAN.

Viet said:

SAM is a mighty toy.

if you haven´t noticed Vietnam has one of the most dense air defence networks in SE Asia. good luck for chinese boys in flying coffins. I can see coming that their mothers cry about their deaths.

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Air Defences can easily be taken out by electronic, cyber and other means.
We have some of the best air defences in the world and we have the counters to them.

Vietnam even thinking about taking on the PLA is beyond a joke.

Once those air defences are taken out, Vietnam has nothing left.

Don't ever underestimate the ruthless and killer nature of the CPC and the PLA.

Viet said:

Putin said recently: the downfall of the Soviet Union is one of most tragically moments in the world history.
he is determined to bring Russia to the glorius past.

give him some years, you will see. Crimea is just the beginning.

as for Vietnam, you will see, too how Vietnam can help him to achieve that goal. in economics, a hint: Vietnam is going to join soon the Russian led economics bloc consisting of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia. Vietnamese government promised that during the Russian PM in Hanoi recently.

Russia is keen to win Vietnam as partner, as they want access to markets in ASEAN.

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Russia will never sacrifice the Sino-Russia relationship for anyone.

Without us, Russia has no one to buy their energy.

We are the only country Russia has.

India is insignificant. Vietnam is beyond insignificant.

We have the massive markets the Russians want. We give them support against the west.

Vietnamese economy is smaller than our unofficial military budget

Viet said:

Putin said recently: the downfall of the Soviet Union is one of most tragically moments in the world history.
he is determined to bring Russia to the glorius past.

give him some years, you will see. Crimea is just the beginning.

as for Vietnam, you will see, too how Vietnam can help him to achieve that goal. in economics, a hint: Vietnam is going to join soon the Russian led economics bloc consisting of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia. Vietnamese government promised that during the Russian PM in Hanoi recently.

Russia is keen to win Vietnam as partner, as they want access to markets in ASEAN.

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It is not that easy.

The key of recover is the economy , is the money.

But the economy of RU is depend on resource , it is more like The Middle East country.

Such kind of economy can not sustain long time .

On the other hand , the economics bloc is too small , I mean the economic amount is small .

And Viet will be a market of RU product , but you can not support the other more import thing , like tech.

Viet said:

I know hence I say a bit of arms race, just to maintain a minimum creditable deterrence.

should it come to a confrontation, we expect Russia to deliver military toys on credit.

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Russia needs China now more than ever. They don't want to anger China. They will depend on our energy demand for their government revenue.

Buying a limited number of weapons won't be enough to take on the PLA. Once we destroy those weapons you have no way to get new weapons in a state of war.

Remember, the PLA is getting NEW naval ships, subs, fighters, support planes, missiles, etc every year. Our arsenal of ships and planes are already massive and equipped with advanced missiles.

Our unofficial military budget is $240 BILLION and growing 12% on that budget every year.

Good luck messing with the PLA.