Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

Windjammer said:

Here's a clearer image of the one nomi 007 posted earlier, some interesting gadgets in the back ground.

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PAF Shahbaz?

Neptune said:

Thé "+" means an external addition to the aircraft. EFTs and that external avionics suite. What you meant is probably the F-16CJ/DJ variants. But those variants are also operated by IDFAF and TURAF with EFTs, new avionics suites, LANTIRN added. At some of them LANTIRN only.

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Whats the basic difference between block 52+ and F-16I?

truthseeker2010 said:

PAF Shahbaz?



Whats the basic difference between block 52+ and F-16I?

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Engine, Israeli weapons integration, HUD and half of the avionics are Israeli made.

Neptune said:

Engine, Israeli weapons integration, HUD and half of the avionics are Israeli made.

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is it better in A2A or A2G(compared to 52)? and is it better than Block 60 or in between 52 and 60?

truthseeker2010 said:

is it better in A2A or A2G(compared to 52)? and is it better than Block 60 or in between 52 and 60?

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Well, it depends on how you use it. But it has significant air strike capabilities. What really differs Block 60 from Sufa is not only the state of art Israeli avionics. Block 60 has an advanced AESA radar with a powerful engine..I'd say F-16I Sufa is the most advanced version of Vipers.

When will PAF going to get 14 reamining F-16s from US and also any possibility of 21 Venezuelan F-16s for PAF.

Neptune said:

Well, it depends on how you use it. But it has significant air strike capabilities. What really differs Block 60 from Sufa is not only the state of art Israeli avionics. Block 60 has an advanced AESA radar with a powerful engine..I'd say F-16I Sufa is the most advanced version of Vipers.

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Even better than F-2? and any idea on what will be cost per unit of sufa?

truthseeker2010 said:

Even better than F-2? and any idea on what will be cost per unit of sufa?

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Of course better than the F-2, no doubt. I don't know about the price.

The Sufa has every possible threat in its system. The USA provides everything to counter anything the USA delivers to the arabs/muslims. They probably steal the rest by using Mossad very effectively. And the Arabs have even flown their aircraft ti Israel...

Neptune said:

Of course better than the F-2, no doubt. I don't know about the price.

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Depends on how you are rating it. The F-2 carried MORE load(It has two more hardpoints).. Has an AESA Radar and ESA Jammer.
However, the F-2 is much more a "new" aircraft as compared to the Sufa which is still essentially a customized standard F-16.

Neptune said:

Of course better than the F-2, no doubt. I don't know about the price.

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block-52 cost around 70-80 million a piece, if it is more in around 100 mil range then won't F-15k, EF, and rafale, or F-18E be better options than sufa.... i know that sufa is not for export, but im just comparing... like indian MMRCA was offered the "most advanced" f-16 variant which imo would have been better than sufa, but they went for rafale.

The IAF Sufa is the most advanced and deadly viper out there with out a doubt period ....

TOPGUN said:

The IAF Sufa is the most advanced and deadly viper out there with out a doubt period ....

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I'm not going to talk too much on this except that the Sufah as an APG68-V9 radar vs a Blk 60's AN/APG80, secondly the Sufa has an F100-PW-220 engine vs a F110-GE-132 on a Blk60.

So on both counts a Sufa is definitely technically inferior to a Blk60

Abu Nasar said:

I'm not going to talk too much on this except that the Sufah as an APG68-V9 radar vs a Blk 60's AN/APG80, secondly the Sufa has an F100-PW-220 engine vs a F110-GE-132 on a Blk60.

So on both counts a Sufa is definitely technically inferior to a Blk60

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Why not UAE producing F-16s Block-60 and also they can provide these Block-60 to Oman as well who is buying Block-50s from US.

Windjammer said:

Here's a clearer image of the one nomi 007 posted earlier, some interesting gadgets in the back ground.

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Sniper XR on the bottom left...

what's that behind the Wing Commander? Maybe the DB-110?

Black Eagle 90 said:

Why not UAE producing F-16s Block-60 and also they can provide these Block-60 to Oman as well who is buying Block-50s from US.

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They can't. Producing vipers, acces to software/hardware requires both Lockheed and US government approval. There are only 3-4 companies that have this right. IAI, TAI, KAI