Can JF-17 be like Silent Eagle.

[pak-yes]

Ok guys i have wondering that the days of stealth have arrived and in a matter of decade handful of Countries will have it.

PAF will primarily rely on J-XX for stealth.But the fact is that we don't have any conformed date for J-XX.All is speculation at best.It could 2025 or 2030.By then almost every PAF size airfoce would have at least some sort of stealth fighter.So at that time we also need at least some sort of stealth fighter.

So i was wondering that when a 40 year old F-15 can be converted into semi stealth then why not JF-17.What will be the technological Problems,What will be the financial difficulties?and why doesn't PAF adopt this idea.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

You need to remember that the 40 years old F 15 is far superior in its technology than any of its competitors. The effects of age are not showing on this plane. The technology that this plane has today---pak maynot have it for 15 years---china maynot have it for 10---15 years and russia maynot have it for the next 5 years.

F 15 is a heavy weight air craft---jf 17 is a light weight---it can get some stealth capability by the use of composite materials---and some by paint---other than that jf 17 will stay as such.

Paf has too much on its plate right now. Their biggest concern is the integration of the first 50 jf 17 aircraft.

 

[ptldM3]

It won't be easy or cheap, first off and for most an internal weapons bay will need to be added which will require extensive work. On top of that the nose, intakes and vertical stabs will need to be redesigned. To top that off it will need a coat of RAM and a new canopy, when everything is said and done it will be a new aircraft.

 

[pak-yes]

Hi,

You need to remember that the 40 years old F 15 is far superior in its technology than any of its competitors. The effects of age are not showing on this plane. The technology that this plane has today---pak maynot have it for 15 years---china maynot have it for 10---15 years and russia maynot have it for the next 5 years.

F 15 is a heavy weight air craft---jf 17 is a light weight---it can get some stealth capability by the use of composite materials---and some by paint---other than that jf 17 will stay as such.

Paf has too much on its plate right now. Their biggest concern is the integration of the first 50 jf 17 aircraft.

hmmm it means we even don't have 40 years old technology.

 

[pak-yes]

It won't be easy or cheap, first off and for most an internal weapons bay will need to be added which will require extensive work. On top of that the nose, intakes and vertical stabs will need to be redesigned. To top that off it will need a coat of RAM and a new canopy, when everything is said and done it will be a new aircraft.

But it shouldn't be a Problem for us after all China will do it all.

And by the way how about we try to make J-10B semi stealth.I mean it still in Design Phase and if we give our requirements to change it now it will Probably be easy.

 

[ptldM3]

But it shouldn't be a Problem for us after all China will do it all.

It will still cost good coint and even though China will do the work it doesn't mean it will be easy work.

And by the way how about we try to make J-10B semi stealth.I mean it still in Design Phase and if we give our requirements to change it now it will Probably be easy.

Isn't the airframe for the J-10B already complete?

 

[karan.1970]

But it shouldn't be a Problem for us after all China will do it all.

And by the way how about we try to make J-10B semi stealth.I mean it still in Design Phase and if we give our requirements to change it now it will Probably be easy.

Not for free... There will be a lot of cost and some of it will get passed to Pakistan. It will also then not remaing a $15 million plane

 

[pak-yes]

It will still cost good coint and even though China will do the work it doesn't mean it will be easy work.



Isn't the airframe for the J-10B already complete?

1.Of Course it will be expensive but not as expensive as estimated 100 million dollar Silent Eagle.

2.Yes but my point is that we are going to wait for 4-5 years for J-10B so isn't it ample time to modify J-10B to make it semi stealth?

 

[pak-yes]

Not for free... There will be a lot of cost and some of it will get passed to Pakistan. It will also then not remaing a $15 million plane

yar karan i made a wrong thread and now i am realizing it.It probably should have been like Can J-10B be like silent eagle.

 

[farhan_9909]

Not for free... There will be a lot of cost and some of it will get passed to Pakistan. It will also then not remaing a $15 million plane

15$?
how?
Jf-17 export will cost between 25-30Mn USD..
means pakistani locally built cost will be aroung 20Mn.
and french upgrade per aircraft cost was 32Million USD..

 

[karan.1970]

yar karan i made a wrong thread and now i am realizing it.It probably should have been like Can J-10B be like silent eagle.

And that I think is a workable option. You may end up 2 variants of J 10B. Stealth and non stealth. Basically building on the base platform of J 10 in 2 different directions.


See in my view, stealth and mass production is a little contradictory. In a war, you would need stealth for specific missions and at the same time you will need regular aircrafts in large enough numbers to hold the fort and play intercept roles. Thats where JF 17 (or LCA etc for India) comes in.

 

[karan.1970]

15$?
how?
Jf-17 export will cost between 25-30Mn USD..
means pakistani locally built cost will be aroung 20Mn.
and french upgrade per aircraft cost was 32Million USD..

I think the flyaway cost of a JF 17 is expected to be $ 15 mill.. French avionocs etc obviously will cost more, but that is not happeneing now..

 

[Jazzbot]

well 1 thing is sure, that someone drastic needs to be done in this regard till 2025 time frame. Though its least expected and looking almost impossible today, but i am sure PFA and think tanks are not sitting on their desks quietly. So lets hope for the best and lets wait for some magical news in future. Perhaps world is never over and there are always some way out of each problem.

 

[SBD-3]

few thoughts
Like mustan said.....Pakistan does not enjoy the technological base as US does. So It will take a lot of both industrial and technological development to achieve that. F-15 is a proven Airframe (101-0) with heavy class, unlike Thunder which is more of a point defence fighter....achieveing stealth....well we are hearing about YFC-1E but dont know details....there are also roumers of another new design expected to be unveiled in 2012...but they are all roumers and I can't endose them. J-10B is also roumered to have lesser RCS than J-10A and improved manuverbility. but not untill it is rolled out of assembly we cant say anything either. But one thing can be said for sure.....we can't make silent eagle class stuff right now

 

[QADRI]

according to an airforce pilot, 75 percent of total production and inventory is always unprojected...so there maybe many plans which are yet undercover.