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India has accepted that it will share data on nuclear material and equipment in order to secure the U.S. agreement to waive its “tracking requirements” on that material.

According to sources, India’s concession on the issue was the reason for the “breakthrough” in agreement on the administrative arrangements for the Indo-U.S. civilian nuclear deal during President Barack Obama’s visit. The data collected would be shared during annual consultations between a U.S.-Indian group to be specially set up to implement the administrative arrangements that will guide the nuclear deal.

Indian officials maintained that the data sharing agreement was the same as had been extended to other countries. At a press conference shortly after the Obama-Modi summit in Delhi, a senior official of the MEA on Disarmament and International Security Affairs Amandeep Singh Gill told reporters: “We have an administrative arrangement with Canada and that has been the template for finalising our administrative arrangement with the U.S.” The text of the Canadian agreement, that was finalised in April 2013, hasn’t yet been made public, but is understood to only allow for IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards while sharing data based on aggregates from the U.N. agency.

However, in an interview to Headlines Today last week, U.S. Ambassador Richard Verma said, “Under our law there are requirements to track materials. For the first time we got a commitment from the Indian government to come up with data, and to come up with consultations regularly that would meet our requirements.” If, as he says, this is a new and unique departure from India’s previous stand of only providing data to inspectors of the U.N. agency IAEA, it could raise several questions for the NDA government.

The source also denied that President Obama had issued any “executive waiver” to bypass the requirement to monitor the use of nuclear material in India. The American requirement, under the Hyde Act of 2006 stipulates that the U.S. President must certify to U.S. Congress that India (for whom the law was specially drafted) is in compliance with U.S. “tracking and flagging” requirements on fissile material and nuclear equipment at reactors supplied by the U.S., even if it is from third parties.

Indian officials of the “nuclear contact group” who had met three times in Delhi, Vienna and London to hammer out an agreement before President Obama’s visit are now working on producing a “memorandum” for their American counterparts, that will put the Indian government’s explanation on the liability law as well as other parts of the negotiation on paper. Once the U.S. clears the memorandum, the administrative arrangements between the two governments will be signed. The government has not yet released details of the administrative arrangements agreed to with the U.S., nor of the “insurance pool” and memorandum on liability that secured the arrangements. According to sources, India has committed in negotiations that U.S. suppliers will not be liable for civil or ‘tort’ damages under Section 46 of the Liability Act, and their limited liability will be covered by the Indian insurance pool of Rs. 1,500 crore ($242 million).

“No right to recourse”

“In effect, we have no right to recourse after these talks. Ultimately the liability is on the Indian side and lies with the Indian taxpayer now,” a former Foreign Secretary told The Hindu. “It seems as if the government is not being honest and clear about what we have agreed to.”

However, with Parliament scheduled to reopen later this month for the budget session, more clarity on the negotiations will also be demanded there.

India agreed to share nuclear data for breakthrough in talks - The Hindu
 
I too had the same feeling.. I mean we watered down the liability clause. Inshort if anything wrong happened we will be responsible.. I know it wont go down well with Modi fans but UPA was pretty strong when it comes to this kind of treaties and their foreign affairs was strong than that of current government..

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That depends on the Data, civilian nuclear data can be shared which isn't really a problem. The problem comes when the data of military nuclear installations is shared. So when India says "will share Nuclear data". Which one is it ?
 
That depends on the Data, civilian nuclear data can be shared which isn't really a problem. The problem comes when the data of military nuclear installations is shared. So when India says "will share Nuclear data". Which one is it ?

I am not talking about sharing nuclear data but watering down the liability issues. I mean now I feels like the providers are not at all responsible for the accidents but we are..
 
I am not talking about sharing nuclear data but watering down the liability issues. I mean now I feels like the providers are not at all responsible for the accidents but we are..

We are not aware of the agreement in itself. Will only know when the full details come out.
 
I too had the same feeling.. I mean we watered down the liability clause. Inshort if anything wrong happened we will be responsible.. I know it wont go down well with Modi fans but UPA was pretty strong when it comes to this kind of treaties and their foreign affairs was strong than that of current government..

The funny thing is, that the BJP is the only reason we had to negotiate about the liability issue, since they insisted on it, otherwise the deal would had been fixed years ago, but would had been a bigger success for UPA and especially MMS. So contrary to earlier statements the US can track the materials, the BJP has gone back from the strict liability laws and at the end US companies might still not invest into India, because they feel that there are still to many risks to be held accountable. All this when Russia and even France seems to be ready to accept the original liability demands, but now surely will want the same conditions as the US. So if we really got a good deal or not, will come out now only, when we see more reports on the details.
 
The funny thing is, that the BJP is the only reason we had to negotiate about the liability issue, since they insisted on it, otherwise the deal would had been fixed years ago, but would had been a bigger success for UPA and especially MMS. So contrary to earlier statements the US can track the materials, the BJP has gone back from the strict liability laws and at the end US companies might still not invest into India, because they feel that there are still to many risks to be held accountable. All this when Russia and even France seems to be ready to accept the original liability demands, but now surely will want the same conditions as the US. So if we really got a good deal or not, will come out now only, when we see more reports on the details.

This is what I am thinking too.. You can dismiss Russia citing that their reactors might be old design. But France was ready to provide reactors which is world class and they are in agreement to liability clause. Not only BJP did a blunder by watering down liability law but also caused others to re negotiate.. Now they made us responsible for their mistakes..
 
I too had the same feeling.. I mean we watered down the liability clause. Inshort if anything wrong happened we will be responsible.. I know it wont go down well with Modi fans but UPA was pretty strong when it comes to this kind of treaties and their foreign affairs was strong than that of current government..

Please share your views guys @Star Wars @scorpionx @DRAY @Abingdonboy @sancho @SpArK @sandy_3126
@Bang Galore @levina @kurup @nair @gslv mk3 @SnNair @cronos etc etc etc

I think this is some give and take policy.NDA indeed watered down the liability clause .But they also got something in return ,something that is classified .Or US might compromise their stand in pharmaceutical IPR or something else.
Issues still dont sorted out .Half of the amount will be from insurance pool and bothsides still dont have any idea about the premium of US suppliers.Any way I dont see a chance for US reactor in next 20 years
 
This is what I am thinking too.. You can dismiss Russia citing that their reactors might be old design. But France was ready to provide reactors which is world class and they are in agreement to liability clause. Not only BJP did a blunder by watering down liability law but also caused others to re negotiate.. Now they made us responsible for their mistakes..

When did France offer reactors to India ? and why are we responsible for their mistakes ? taking it a bit too far before knowing the details ?
 
That depends on the Data, civilian nuclear data can be shared which isn't really a problem. The problem comes when the data of military nuclear installations is shared. So when India says "will share Nuclear data". Which one is it ?

Only track the materials given by them.They cant even come nearer to our weapons reactor.
 
When did France offer reactors to India ? and why are we responsible for their mistakes ? taking it a bit too far before knowing the details ?

We are providing them insurance pool right. So if a accident happen who is responsible for the compensation? Its Indian companies.. There were talks of French company Areva to set up nuclear plants here in India..
 
There were talks of French company Areva to set up nuclear plants here in India..

Knowing the french and the current Rafael deal i am pretty sure it wasn't straight forward.
 
I think this is some give and take policy.NDA indeed watered down the liability clause .But they also got something in return ,something that is classified .Or US might compromise their stand in pharmaceutical IPR or something else.
Issues still dont sorted out .Half of the amount will be from insurance pool and bothsides still dont have any idea about the premium of US suppliers.Any way I dont see a chance for US reactor in next 20 years

As Sancho mentioned, BJP wanted this liability law in first place.. If this was the case, the treaty would have signed many years ago..

Knowing the french and the current Rafael deal i am pretty sure it wasn't straight forward.

But we still had option than watering down liability law to please the Americans..
 
India has accepted that it will share data on nuclear material and equipment in order to secure the U.S. agreement to waive its “tracking requirements” on that material.

According to sources, India’s concession on the issue was the reason for the “breakthrough” in agreement on the administrative arrangements for the Indo-U.S. civilian nuclear deal during President Barack Obama’s visit. The data collected would be shared during annual consultations between a U.S.-Indian group to be specially set up to implement the administrative arrangements that will guide the nuclear deal.

Indian officials maintained that the data sharing agreement was the same as had been extended to other countries. At a press conference shortly after the Obama-Modi summit in Delhi, a senior official of the MEA on Disarmament and International Security Affairs Amandeep Singh Gill told reporters: “We have an administrative arrangement with Canada and that has been the template for finalising our administrative arrangement with the U.S.” The text of the Canadian agreement, that was finalised in April 2013, hasn’t yet been made public, but is understood to only allow for IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards while sharing data based on aggregates from the U.N. agency.

However, in an interview to Headlines Today last week, U.S. Ambassador Richard Verma said, “Under our law there are requirements to track materials. For the first time we got a commitment from the Indian government to come up with data, and to come up with consultations regularly that would meet our requirements.” If, as he says, this is a new and unique departure from India’s previous stand of only providing data to inspectors of the U.N. agency IAEA, it could raise several questions for the NDA government.

The source also denied that President Obama had issued any “executive waiver” to bypass the requirement to monitor the use of nuclear material in India. The American requirement, under the Hyde Act of 2006 stipulates that the U.S. President must certify to U.S. Congress that India (for whom the law was specially drafted) is in compliance with U.S. “tracking and flagging” requirements on fissile material and nuclear equipment at reactors supplied by the U.S., even if it is from third parties.

Indian officials of the “nuclear contact group” who had met three times in Delhi, Vienna and London to hammer out an agreement before President Obama’s visit are now working on producing a “memorandum” for their American counterparts, that will put the Indian government’s explanation on the liability law as well as other parts of the negotiation on paper. Once the U.S. clears the memorandum, the administrative arrangements between the two governments will be signed. The government has not yet released details of the administrative arrangements agreed to with the U.S., nor of the “insurance pool” and memorandum on liability that secured the arrangements. According to sources, India has committed in negotiations that U.S. suppliers will not be liable for civil or ‘tort’ damages under Section 46 of the Liability Act, and their limited liability will be covered by the Indian insurance pool of Rs. 1,500 crore ($242 million).

“No right to recourse”

“In effect, we have no right to recourse after these talks. Ultimately the liability is on the Indian side and lies with the Indian taxpayer now,” a former Foreign Secretary told The Hindu. “It seems as if the government is not being honest and clear about what we have agreed to.”

However, with Parliament scheduled to reopen later this month for the budget session, more clarity on the negotiations will also be demanded there.

India agreed to share nuclear data for breakthrough in talks - The Hindu

India already sharing Civil Nuclear details with many organisations. But India won't allow anyone to track down the used nuclear fuel. And we dint agree with US too. So calm down . It's just yet an another article by sickular media who wants to point out some failure of diplomacy by BJP. But they can try . No use of it anyway .
 
I too had the same feeling.. I mean we watered down the liability clause. Inshort if anything wrong happened we will be responsible.. I know it wont go down well with Modi fans but UPA was pretty strong when it comes to this kind of treaties and their foreign affairs was strong than that of current government..

Please share your views guys @Star Wars @scorpionx @DRAY @Abingdonboy @sancho @SpArK @sandy_3126
@Bang Galore @levina @kurup @nair @gslv mk3 @SnNair @cronos etc etc etc
well afaik there's an insurance pool sharing and Indian government would cover additional costs of up to 300 million IMF Special Drawing Rights ($420 million), in line with international practice.
Beyond that India will also have to join the IAEA Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage (CSC), due to enter force in April. By ratifying the convention, India would gain access to international funds with risk shared according to how many nuclear plants a country has.
And I will refrain from commenting further and wait till march when government is expected to explain the agreement to public.
 

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